Submitted by [deleted] t3_10pilux in newhampshire
Longjumping_Ask_4911 t1_j6kp7cr wrote
You can't force someone to punch you. Regardless of what happened before, as soon as that dude threw the punch he was at fault. Seems pretty simple, don't act like an animal, don't throw a punch over words, then this doesn't happen. Anyone who thinks otherwise has a different agenda. I feel bad for the guy whose going to get shit because some little napoleon threw what appears to be two sucker punches.
[deleted] OP t1_j6kpze4 wrote
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Longjumping_Ask_4911 t1_j6kqjw2 wrote
Clearly not, this is obviously stand your ground.
"Residents have a right to defend themselves from attack anywhere. A citizen should not be required to retreat from a place they have a legal right to be. "
https://www.citizenscount.org/issues/stand-your-ground-castle-doctrine
Like I said, don't throw the punch, this never happens.
[deleted] OP t1_j6krb44 wrote
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Longjumping_Ask_4911 t1_j6kskzr wrote
Smartalum t1_j6krt69 wrote
Read idiot.
Where is the evidence that the person was in fear of death?
Longjumping_Ask_4911 t1_j6kt6xx wrote
what would you consider evidence?
Smartalum t1_j6kv0k1 wrote
It is an affirmative defense, which means the defendant has the burden of proof.
I see none here that suggests the defendant was in fear for his life.
Longjumping_Ask_4911 t1_j6kvkyi wrote
I don't know, being surrounded by 3-4 people and getting suckered punched in the face would seem to present an issue yo your claim. You also didn't answer the question. Was he supposed to cry in fear?
RondaArousedMe t1_j6ksizg wrote
I understand the law and the reasoning for it but your calling the guy who allegedly threw two sucker punches an animal and not the guy who based on his own words, left the bar looking for retaliation of some kind and immediately drew his firearm firing 8 rounds an animal?
They both seem like giant cowards to me.
Longjumping_Ask_4911 t1_j6kt5rb wrote
why would I blame someone responding to head trauma? let alone a second head trauma.
RondaArousedMe t1_j6kuwlc wrote
A.) You don't know whether either punch was provoked or not
B.) While a punch to the face can technically be lethal, it seems that it is a far stretch from "deadly force" under the NH law. (If you get into a fist fight it's considered assault not attempted murder in the vast majority of cases)
C.) I would assume that if you follow someone out of an establishment to confront them with implied confrontation/violence that is not defending yourself. That person is looking for a confrontation and they responded with deadly force
Longjumping_Ask_4911 t1_j6kvlzz wrote
> You don't know whether either punch was provoked or not
Did you watch the video? Hard to say a sucker punch is provoked.
> I would assume that if you follow someone out of an establishment to confront them with implied confrontation/violence that is not defending yourself. That person is looking for a confrontation and they responded with deadly force
The dude got escorted out of the bar by security. How are you going to argue he followed someone out?
RondaArousedMe t1_j6kzf2y wrote
It was more of a sucker punch than I originally thought, didn't realize which way his face was turned when he got hit.
Sure followed is the wrong word, they both got escorted out of the bar, and the shooter is on camera threatening violence (seemingly in response to a prior altercation) and then they end up face to face in the parking lot across the street? It seems like there was intent for an altercation regardless.
Smartalum t1_j6krlku wrote
Yea - this is bullshit.
The fact that someone punches you does not give you the right to execute him.
The fucking guy is dead because a wanna-be Clint Eastwood want to kill someone.
[deleted] OP t1_j6ktwp9 wrote
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Longjumping_Ask_4911 t1_j6ktbmc wrote
the guy is dead because he got physical. why did he have to get physical?
BarelyDead36 t1_j6kum69 wrote
Yikes dude. Yikes.
Hot-Specialist-6824 t1_j6ku0yl wrote
In both civil and criminal law there's always been a big distinction between deadly and non deadly force. It's one thing to have people going home with broken noses, it's another to have people leaving in body bags. You generally cannot respond to non deadly force with deadly force.
Downtown-Motor9525 t1_j6kxsv6 wrote
If someone cuts you off in traffic do you have the right to shoot and kill them? Cutting someone off could lead to an accident and that could potentially be deadly
Longjumping_Ask_4911 t1_j6l5vht wrote
I've never been cutoff so hard it causes immediate bodily damage. Maybe that's just me.
Downtown-Motor9525 t1_j6lattd wrote
If someone causes you bodily damage you don’t get to kill them you Neanderthal.
Longjumping_Ask_4911 t1_j6lsb6a wrote
you do if you have reason to think they're going to do it again. in your example if the car then turns around and tries to ram you.
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