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buried_lede t1_jcn4h3c wrote

I’ll probably get a bunch of downvotes for this but New haven is so confounding. It comes off like it’s a city of interesting, progressive, intelligent, and creative people but the city itself is run barely competently. It isn’t creative or dynamic. It is utterly lacking in compassion. City hall is kind of reliably nasty in fact. It can’t only be a lack of resources.

Just a few weeks ago alders heard about a homeless man who died on the tracks and about this tent city. You would come away from that hearing thinking this is the absolutely last thing Elicker or the city would do right now but somehow they did, they couldn’t figure out a single thing better than this, and they even had grant money and ideas submitted that about it.

I didn’t vote for Elicker, I am relieved to say.

The title is a little misleading, this short vid contains part of that hearing

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cV9suUcCt0g

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Significant_Chest401 t1_jcnk5ci wrote

And. . . Then there’s the city’s public school system.

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numitoke t1_jcnm8q1 wrote

https://www.nhregister.com/news/article/New-Haven-schools-reading-levels-an-17329265.php

"Data offered by Assistant Superintendent of Schools Ivelise Velazquez to the school board shows that only 17 percent of third-graders scored at grade level on this year’s state Smarter Balance Assessment test.
By eighth grade, the percent scoring on grade level rose to 28 percent.
For math scores, 12 percent of students districtwide scored at grade level."

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This is fine.

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fingers t1_jcoqfu6 wrote

So...you want to increase reading levels? It is more complex than just blaming teachers/school system.

What helps children read? Stable home life. Healthy pre-natal care. Post-natal care. Healthy food and clean water. Oh, and clean air. Not to mention clean housing...no lead paint. And families that earn a thriving wage. Paying people shit wages leads to shit results.

Free day care. Or better yet, communities where day care isn't necessary because a parent does not need to work.

You know, all those things that the majority of the suburbs have.

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Shellsbells821 t1_jcoz6ox wrote

Parents are a big part! My daughters were reading at 4 because I sat down with them. How many 6 year old kids that can't even speak clearly. It's not just up to teachers to teach.

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koushunu t1_jcpfgp9 wrote

Also, staying back a grade /summer school does help. They need to reimplement that.

If you are floundering in any subject, it is better to understand each level, otherwise you are drowning worse and worse as you are taken up in levels, understanding less and less and becoming more frustrated, upset, angry, and sad about it. And it gets you no where but down.

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fingers t1_jcrha0v wrote

I don't agree with this. Holding kids back is detrimental to their development. Expecting everyone to be on the same page at the same time is a horrible cultural norm we have adopted. Having teachers who understand flexibility and how to differentiate is much more effective.

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koushunu t1_jctrdk0 wrote

I know a number of people who were held back, and all but one agreed with it and said it was a good thing.

Ideally summer school is best, or after class help.

But in the current school system where i live, children are being accredited for algebra 2 when they are actually taken aside to learn fractions and other lower maths.

If you have read the studies on “no kid left behind” it hurts almost all the students.

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fingers t1_jcu69z7 wrote

https://www.understood.org/en/articles/retention-why-kids-are-held-back

https://naspcenter.org/parents/nclb_ho/

Promotion or retention: Some states or districts may determine that students who fail one or more standards tests will be retained in grade for the next year. For example, recently the state of Florida announced that over 40,000 third graders would be retained based on their failure to pass the third grade test. Other states might require summer school for students who fail to meet a criterion score on one or more of the state tests. And other states and districts may not use standards tests at all for the purpose of making promotion decisions. Because research demonstrates that retention is not an effective practice, states and districts are encouraged to base promotion decisions on more comprehensive information than standards tests alone. Knowing that a test will be used to determine promotion to the next grade places a high degree of stress on students, teachers, and parents; stress by itself can negatively affect a student?s performance on these tests!

NCLB Left so many kids behind.

Nation At Risk was horrible for the nation. https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/04/29/604986823/what-a-nation-at-risk-got-wrong-and-right-about-u-s-schools

America has never had great schools (or environment) for poor people.

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koushunu t1_jcuw8cx wrote

Funnily enough, all the ones i knew held back, were financially pretty good. And the kids who did the best in k-8 were mostly the poorest of the kids.

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fingers t1_jcv146o wrote

There are outliers. I'm an outlier. Welfare/Drug using mother. I made it out by luck.

My brother was held back a year in kindergarten. He didn't graduate high school.

We had various educational experiences. Public education. Private/Religious education. Public education. We both went to the same schools.

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xxJeffFoxworthyxx t1_jcnmioy wrote

As a former city employee, I can testify that the city is not interested in compassion -- they don't even care about the safety and well-being of their own employees. City Hall is reliably terrible and the public services available to the average person in New Haven is absolutely garbage -- especially compared with Yale.

Yale and New Haven are very different places -- run by and inhabited by very different people.

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buried_lede t1_jcnoq49 wrote

And yet it has its share of Yalies, at least Yale employees and some Yale graduates who do their stints in city hall

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bingybunny t1_jcp49zs wrote

look at the scumbags they sent to the white house to kick the late stage capitalist can down the road

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tequilamockingbird37 t1_jcnrlk1 wrote

There's definitely a crossover even if they can be very different worlds in one city. It's only my opinion but I feel like there are more yalies who become new haveners than there are new haveners becoming yalies

Either way idgaf who you are or where you're from just look before you walk out in the middle of the street and we're solid

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Stezo45 t1_jcovwgq wrote

Everyday I almost kill some Yalie who very much as entitled as you can get just jets into the middle of the street

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SweetMojaveRain t1_jcpqzyf wrote

Idk where youre driving but for me when i lived in edgewood it was the opposite problem, local pedestrians know they dont have to give a shit about the timed crosswalks

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