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want_to_join t1_j9tx46u wrote
Reply to comment by bartturner in U.S. Justice Dept accuses Google of evidence destruction in antitrust case by batmaninwonderland
Why lie, if you don't know?
There was action against Microsoft in the states. The suit was settled following concessions from the company.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.
MississippiJoel t1_j9w674u wrote
I think he meant penalties. You took his "no action" statement literally, but missed his point.
want_to_join t1_j9w98e8 wrote
But there was action and penalties, they just decided to make changes to avoid the penalties. That's what settling a court case entails. Not sure how their statement is accurate in any sense.
Edit: they did not avoid penalties, they made changes to lessen their penalties.
bartturner t1_j9w4c1e wrote
Sigh...
In the US they were NOT required to have a screen when you first start Windows. In the EU there was.
We get to see the result with a fantastic A/B test.
It made no difference. Google won the browser both in the US and the EU. Basically have the same percent in both.
want_to_join t1_j9w9nk8 wrote
Not having the same result does not mean no action/no penalties... Which might sound KISS simple, but it is honestly hard to understand what point you are trying to make. There was action against Microsoft. There was a result of said action. It was not the same result as the EU case, no. Not sure why anyone would think it would.
bartturner t1_j9wauf1 wrote
It is so simple.
In the US there were no action with the browser. They were allowed to continue to have IE the default browser. Nothing.
In the EU they were required to add a screen so you could choose your browser.
We now get to see the results of the A/B test.
In both cases Google won the browser wars and has basicallly the same market share in both areas.
Not complicated and we are so lucky to have such a nice and clean A/B test.
Clearly the action made NO difference!!
The market spoke and wanted Google for their browser.
want_to_join t1_j9wbequ wrote
> In the US there were no action.
Right... Bud, IDK exactly what issue is going on here but this statement is 100% not correct. There WAS an antitrust lawsuit that the US government brought and successfully prosecuted against Microsoft. It ended with them paying antitrust penalties and changing their contracts with third party computer manufacturers...
Again, IDK what blockage you are having, but you're wrong. Different action does not mean no action. The US ABSOLUTELY 100% DID take action against Microsoft.
Ill-Poet-3298 t1_ja37mlq wrote
You are clearly dealing with a Google astroturf drone. Has a vested interest in the idea that monopolies aren't so bad, MS wasn't punished, so Google won't be either, shut up and take it. Such a weird choice on Google's part to support such a thing.
bartturner t1_j9wddhc wrote
> Right... Bud, IDK exactly what issue is going on here but this statement is 100% not correct.
I am American and have installed Windows and can guarantee you that we do NOT get the screen asking about browser that you get in the EU. No action was taken in the US.
I have no idea why you are even challenging.
I actually prefer the invisible hand because actions often times cause an unexpected result.
But I do love this one because we get such a nice and clean A/B test.
Clearly the invisible hand (Market) is what really dictates things.
I think about it right now with Apple and Gogole default search. If that changed it would just be the vast majority still using Google.
People are going to go towards what works best in most cases and Google is just a lot better.
Edit: I should say that now I spend half my time in South East Asia and where I am now. But I have lived most of the time in the US since the EU took action with the browser being a choice when first start Windows and the US not taking the same action.
want_to_join t1_j9wdt83 wrote
> guarantee you that we do NOT get the screen asking about browser that you get in the EU.
No one is debating that point. I am pointing out that the statement, "The US took no action against Microsoft," is not correct.
You are making it sound like you define the word, "action," as "a different computer screen."
Do you understand the meaning of the word "action"?
A lawsuit is action. A lawsuit was brought. Action was taken. Not the same action was taken.
bartturner t1_j9wdxhg wrote
Apparently you have.
So we finally have agreement that the US did not require the choice on browser and in the EU they did. Perfect A/B test.
Good. That took a lot.
want_to_join t1_j9weoxz wrote
No one, including myself, ever told you that the US forced them to add a loading screen.
You are still wrong, because the US did take action. Not even sure why you would spend the time to comment if you are going to act ignorant of the vocabulary... Stop wasting our time, maybe? Admitting you made an error of choice of words is far less embarrassing than pretending to not be able to understand english as an American.
See, I ALSO am an American, who has ALSO installed Windows, and so I would never argue with you that a screen exists when it does not.
Are you capable of admitting you are wrong? Or are you just going to continue this weird "refuse to acknowledge" game you seem to be playing?
bartturner t1_j9wf3dj wrote
This is a rather silly discussion. I told you that they took no action with the browser.
You were challenging that but seem to finally have admitted the truth.
It gave us a great A/B test.
BTW, I am old and was around during this time in the tech industry.
In the EU they did take action that they did NOT in the US.
want_to_join t1_j9wfbir wrote
> I told you that they took no action with the browser.
Not what you said. You said they took no action. Do you lack the understanding of this difference or not?
bartturner t1_j9wfi55 wrote
You are a bit too much. It is what I said. Not my fault you do not listen.
BTW, you are missing the entire benefit with the fact that the US took NO action and the EU did.
We got our A/B test.
want_to_join t1_j9wfolw wrote
But the US did take action, and it WAS involving the browser, so youre completely wrong. Still.
want_to_join t1_j9wfwga wrote
> There was no action against Microsoft in the states.
Thats the quote you posted. Just take the L, dude. You're embarrassing yourself.
bartturner t1_j9wh5kh wrote
Geeze. Read it again. I said no action in terms of browser.
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