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[deleted] t1_jadtamq wrote

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TJR843 t1_jae1uqn wrote

>but how you think people are, just isnt how it plays irl. Youre looking at the world how you think it should be and I think you would benefit greatly looking at it for what it is.

... sociologists don't back that claim up, so where the hell are you getting that idea from? I said read some theory and history books because it's plainly clear based on what you have been saying is that you have fallen victim (not your fault) to the endless capitalist propaganda and hustle culture bullshit that has been funneled down your throat since you got to first grade.

>Theres ways you can start a business with 0 money. Tons of work. I mean you dont get a life for 5 or so years. You got to throw everything else away and put your head down and bust ass.

Why? Not everyone wants to start a business. I don't want to be rich. I don't need monetary value to feel self worth. No one should struggle mentally and gamble their futures for a chance to start a business that has a significantly higher chance of failure and financial ruin than it does success. I could start a business doing something I like, and be good at it, but that doesn't mean it will be successful.

>When I say policing I mean say you have 5 builders. Theyre building a house. 1 of those guys doesnt work as hard or as much as the other 4. Hes lazy slow or whatever.

>That brings the morale of the 4 down. They get mad at the other guy.

This is not the rule, it is the exception. Maybe it may be worth looking into why the one guy is acting like that? It's so simple minded and an indicator you have a warped view of things to just write the "lazy guy" off as nothing but a burden without wanting to look into why that may be. You would be silly to correlate the one guy that is like this in a capitalist business to the one guy in a socialist or communist state run business.

>There are always people who look to beat the system. If theres a system in place yes people are out there learning how to beat it and manipulate it.

Again, this is the exception, not the rule. I don't know what else to say other than you have a very sad and warped view of your fellow working class people. I'm not attacking you, I just find it extremely sad to see working class people, like yourself, say something that is a myth created by the rich and capitalists to divide the working class against itself. You should read the book Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti.

>In theory if i pay more then everyone else, where will the talent want to work ?

Work is more than pay, at least in capitalist structures. It's about what you offer benefits wise. The data shows people take less pay when there is more PTO and better benefits. Unfortunately though it is already from the moment of employment an unbalanced relationship. Your employees are afraid of losing their jobs mainly because there are no robust worker protections and in the US the moment you lose your job is the moment you lose your insurance. This is financial ruin for most, with 64% of yearly bankruptcies being tied to outstanding medical debt. The relationship between worker and owner on the US and capitalist structures is inherently unbalanced in favor of the owner. That isn't in question, workers are just forced to accept that.

>Im guessing youre young ?

I am in my 30s, have a degree and currently work with some of the largest corporations in the world as my clients (not by choice). I have plenty of experience and see all the evil shit I speak about first hand, which has helped to shape my views. I don't know about you, but if all you have is a business degree to go off of and not experience in that world, you don't know shit about the realities of what it's like out here or in the corporate world. I am forced to stay because my healthcare is tied to my employment and I willingly take less pay so I can have PTO whenever I need it. That doesn't stop me from fighting for my fellow working class comrades.

>I dont think your way is possible. At least not anytime soon.

Thankfully, history doesn't agree with that statement.

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TJR843 t1_jae3n12 wrote

Please note, I'm not trying to attack you in my responses. If it comes off that way, I apologize.

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[deleted] t1_jae4uj3 wrote

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TJR843 t1_jae4zp7 wrote

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