Submitted by Hiversitize t3_11cq47n in news
MeatsimPD t1_ja6bznr wrote
Reply to comment by magellan315 in Israelis, Palestinians pledge to curb violence at Jordan meeting by Hiversitize
>Peace isn't occurring because of the Khartoum Conference in 1967 where 9 Arab nations declared there would be no peace
You're ignoring two facts 1) many of the states represented at this conference don't have the same governments.today they had 1967 and have subsequently signed peace treaties with Israel and 2) nothing you said says anything to do with that I said
Bonus third fact) annexing territory through conquest without the consent of the people living there is illegal under international law, and settling your citizens outside of your own territory is also illegal under international law
magellan315 t1_ja7y98x wrote
- Many of those states don't have the same leadership, but they still have the beliefs and politics.
- Which of those countries have signed treaties with Israel?
- During the War of Independence the Arabs captured land without permission, should they have returned it to Israel?
MeatsimPD t1_ja86pa0 wrote
> Which of those countries have signed treaties with Israel?
Egypt and Jordan. Why are you asking me questions about basic facts? You're tacitly admitting your opinion is uninformed if you don't know this.
>During the War of Independence the Arabs captured land without permission, should they have returned it to Israel?
I don't know what you're talking about. Israel has control of all territory it controlled at the start of the 1948 war
magellan315 t1_ja8jeri wrote
You made vague assertions about peace treaties. Anwar Sadat was killed by his own military for making peace with Israel. Jordan was weak and ineffective following their losses in 1967 and had to deal with the PLO in 1970, more commonly known as Black September. They also did not come to terms with Israel until 1994.
Meanwhile the major players; Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and several others continue to funding terrorists. Even to this day.
MeatsimPD t1_ja8l82b wrote
What does any of this have to do with the occupation of the West Bank? Israel's security situation is more secure than it has ever been. What further security justification is there for occupying the West Bank? What justification is there for settling Israelis citizens there?
For God's sake if they are so concerned about terrorism than why are they settling their citizens outside of their sovereign territory in the West Bank and the Golan Heights let's not forget that either
What about any of this changes the fact that annexation of territory through conquest is illegal as is settling your citizens outside of your borders in such land.
magellan315 t1_ja8nwca wrote
If territory by conquest is illegal, then why didn't the Arabs return the land they captured in the 1948 War of Independence? The only reason Israel's security is better than ever is because they have defeated the combined Arab armies in multiple wars.
MeatsimPD t1_ja8osre wrote
> If territory by conquest is illegal, then why didn't the Arabs return the land they captured in the 1948 War of Independence
Bro what land? Israel controls all the territory it held in 1948. What land do you want them to return?
>. What further security justification is there for occupying the West Bank? What justification is there for settling Israelis citizens there
You're not answering the question
magellan315 t1_ja8qro2 wrote
East Jerusalem.
MeatsimPD t1_ja8rv7p wrote
East Jerusalem was never part of the State of Israel post 1948 but has been de-facto annexed by Israel since 1967.
>What further security justification is there for occupying the West Bank? What justification is there for settling Israelis citizens there
Still aren't answering the question, come on dude give me your justification for the conquest of the West Bank
magellan315 t1_ja8td4t wrote
Jerusalem has always been the capital of Israel East and West. Furthermore when Jordan controlled East Jerusalem they denied Israeli citizens access to the Western Wall. Any tourists who entered from Israel could not reenter Israel.
As for the West Bank, when the Palestinians love their children as much as they hate Israel then they will have control over the West Bank.
MeatsimPD t1_ja8twsl wrote
> Jerusalem has always been the capital of Israel East and West.
I mean... I understand that people feel that way but its not the truth of the matter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Jerusalem
> Furthermore when Jordan controlled East Jerusalem they denied Israeli citizens access to the Western Wall. Any tourists who entered from Israel could not reenter Israel.
Which was obviously wrong but in no way justifies the occupation of the West Bank, settling Israeli Citizens in the West Bank, or annexing territory through force.
>As for the West Bank, when the Palestinians love their children as much as they hate Israel then they will have control over the West Bank.
magellan315 t1_ja8vcdi wrote
The U.N. is a joke when it comes to Israel, remember when the Arabs and their allies passed a resolution equating Zionism with Racism. There is a joke about how the U.N. closes on Christian and Muslim holidays and on Jewish they pass a resolution against Israel.
As for your using a GIF instead of using your words, you just proved you are just another basement dwellers. The Palestinians dance in the streets after Jews are killed and make the terrorists hero's. When they love their children this practice will end, instead they teach them to kill
MeatsimPD t1_ja8wna7 wrote
You've reached the point where you're basically saying international law doesn't matter, is that correct?
>The Palestinians dance in the streets after Jews are killed and make the terrorists hero's. When they love their children this practice will end, instead they teach them to kill
Lets not pretend that Israeli settlers and soldiers aren't guilty of killing innocent people, that they don't celebrate terrorists, or that they don't literally dance in the street when hearing about violence
There's no moral high-ground when it comes to violence here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settler_violence
>What further security justification is there for occupying the West Bank? What justification is there for settling Israelis citizens there
Still aren't answering my question. Its such a simple question too, why are you so afraid to give a direct answer?
magellan315 t1_ja8x2v7 wrote
It is used as a base of for terrorists.
Your nothing more than an Arab apologist.
MeatsimPD t1_ja8y3gf wrote
> It is used as a base of for terrorists.
Then why settle your citizens there?!?!?
>Your nothing more than an Arab apologist.
An Arab apologist? Not a terrorist apologist? I think the mask is slipping off.
Do you think Arabs should be allowed to live in Israel or the West Bank?
magellan315 t1_ja9292e wrote
Arabs do live in Israel and full rights and citizenship, they make up 20% of the population. You can be an Arab apologist and a terrorist supporter, which you are.
MeatsimPD t1_ja92mob wrote
But you seem to have a problem with terrorists AND Arabs.
And you still are not answering my question.
>What further security justification is there for occupying the West Bank? What justification is there for settling Israelis citizens there
magellan315 t1_ja9xxxe wrote
I have a problem with terrorists and the Arab nations/individuals who provide aid and comfort to terrorists. I have a problem with the Arab governments who have repeatedly attacked Israel and have pledged they will not recognize or make peace with Israel. It was the Arabs who created the situation that has been continued to this day.
As far as the West Bank goes I could care less about what the Palestinians want. They reneged on the Oslo and Dayton Accords and have engaged in terrorism instead of trying to create a nation of their own with the land they have.
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