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FunWelcome t1_jcemne9 wrote

Reply to comment by cgmcnama in WSJ News Exclusive | U.S. Threatens Ban if TikTok’s Chinese Owners Don’t Sell Stakes by TheAngelMutants

  1. A lot of American corporations harvest your data and the American government doesn't really care. When nest got caught doing it no one made a bill to ban them. Amazon even has several products that direct spies on you. We also know about those U.S journalists because byte dance told us and the fired those employees. 2.Bytedance is constantly at odds with the Chinese govt and has refused them before. Which probably won't end well for them. We also learn America doesn't really have one either. WikiLeaks was about how the govt forced corporations to spy on us. The twitter files were about how the govt can force a company to censor a post
  2. Capitalism and we aren't the center of the world. We can't force another country to do things America does.

There is strong evidence to suggest this bill only exists because meta paid politicians to push it. It explains why if you look it up. Byte dance has done everything America wants it to do except sell.

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cgmcnama t1_jcfcce7 wrote

A bit of a "whataboutism" here. American companies nor America are perfect. But it's a far cry from China. All governments want as much data as possible and conduct espionage. The issue is how much private companies are involved and how much privacy rights are truly protected under the law. (or if the law is a facade) E.G. Apple would not be able to tell the FBI to screw off when the wanted a backdoor under CCP laws. (and in fact has to have any encryption technology approved by the CCP)

  1. Bytedance self-reported because of other prior violations. They didn't really have a choice with the current political climate because if they tried to hide it then it would backfire horrendously. The point is they don't have internal safeguards to stop this and targeting journalists is especially egregious.
  2. Bytedance cannot be truly at odds with the CCP under Chinese law. The CCP is a board member as required by law at Bytedance. Any information the CCP wants under national security means must be given. Any idea you can challenge the CCP or "push back" via a judicial process is ludicrous." Any notion that Bytedance can "push back" is naive at best.
  3. I'm not saying force China to open their borders or treat companies the same. I'm just saying treat them the same way they treat other companies. They are not a developing country anymore (which is why they had the foreign partnership program).
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hatrickstar t1_jck7uwk wrote

But we're only talking about Tik Tok when Meta has been involved is some very heinous privacy breaches.

This isn't whataboutism, it's asking if we're trying to solve the problem or not. Because forcing divestment in Tik Tok while not enforcing anti trust laws and data regulation on Meta means you aren't trying to solve the problem.

Do you have any idea how much user data Facebook WILLINGLY sells to Chinese companies? Yet that ban that's suspiciously missing from any proposed laws.

Let's just not lie about it, this is a move by the government to "bail out" Meta.

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