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[deleted] t1_jc81l6t wrote

Reply to comment by Ikea_Man in Conn. woman 1st non-Vermonter granted assisted suicide right by getBusyChild

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Ikea_Man t1_jc82ryc wrote

could probably revise to: "should be able to do what i want with my body as long as it doesn't affect anyone". killing yourself to avoid an illness doesn't affect anyone

>I don’t support the idea that suicide should be legal more broadly.

well that industry is thriving with or without the legality of the act really being involved.

should just give people more options so it's a bit more dignified

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BrownEggs93 t1_jc85s2o wrote

> Essentially the same concept as putting a pet down, it should be done to end incurable suffering.

God yes. Have you witnessed a parent go through prolonged suffering? Humans are OK with putting a pet down, but Mom or Dad? No! We will pony up $$$ for treatment after treatment after treatment only to delay the inevitable after lots of suffering. I want out when that time comes for me.

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FindingMoi t1_jcar409 wrote

I’ve been there for several family members passing in hospice situations and none of it was the peaceful “end of suffering” quiet death you see in the movies. In one case, I watched a family member pass mid scream (he had cancer and died over a holiday weekend so there weren’t any nurses available to come give him iv meds to make him comfortable— but that’s a rant for another time). I think a lot of people who are against it don’t realize how brutal those deaths can be and think that they’ll get more time AND that calm peaceful departure and that’s just often not the case.

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BrownEggs93 t1_jcas2wr wrote

That must have been tough. We had two peaceful passings, frankly. Asleep and never woke up. But years of expensive medical stuff delaying the inevitable. Someone's lifestyle slipped away and they became bitter and angry at the changes and the family more or less supported it because they were expected to. It was terrible and sad. Caregiver burnout is real.

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FindingMoi t1_jcauxbm wrote

I’m glad your family had peaceful deaths. I think everyone deserves that.

The expensive part is important to mention too… medical expenses can wipe out money that was intended to take care of family. Not that the money is the most important thing but when the difference is between family being left with enough to cover final expenses vs being in crazy debt (which can happen in states like mine, PA, where children are on the hook for those expenses), we should let the person decide what they want.

My only concession to those against it is that I agree there should be plenty of safeguards, particularly when there is money involved. But there’s no reason why safeguards can’t be put in place and people can’t get the dignity they deserve.

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SheepishSheepness t1_jc8foxf wrote

This is a false equivalence; bodily autonomy only concerns matters specific to your body. Driving a car affects the bodies of people around you, putting them in danger. When people argue for bodily autonomy, they want the right to make decisions about their body which don’t infringe on the material well-being of others.

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[deleted] t1_jc8id07 wrote

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[deleted] t1_jc9osz9 wrote

End the stigma then. A person in so much pain that they wish to die shouldn’t have to worry about how cousin Johnny might feel about their decision.

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calm_chowder t1_jc8vii1 wrote

Bodily autonomy does NOT mean "you can do whatever you want with no limits" and it doesn't mean complete immunity from the law, it means each individual has the right to choose what is and isn't forced on their body, generally in a medical or psychological sense (such as the gender you identify as). That the person controls was is and isn't done to them. It doesn't mean speeding as fast as you want or unfettered access to regulated prescription medication or the ability to do literally whatever you want in larger society with no limitations.

This thread is full of such ignorant, uninformed, absurd takes where the commenter clearly doesn't have any clue what a term actually means. I mean I get that this is reddit but how in tf can you be so ignorant about a simple concept like bodily autonomy especially when it's in the news so much lately? Too much right wing media lying to you about how scary giving people bodily autonomy would be or just stupid?

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