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persolb t1_jdw2hlz wrote

Reply to comment by Relentless_Salami in All 7 Pennsylvania chocolate factory explosion victims found by Substantial-Pass-992

Yeah, we should stop pretending safety is our top priority. Safety is important, and people try to reduce risk, but in practice it almost always takes second place to doing what needs to be done.

Millions of people in the US drive to work everyday. ~100 of them die in vehicle accidents every day. Meanwhile ~5 people die a day at US workplaces (excluding vehicle accidents above and violence).

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17times2 t1_jdw7wgd wrote

> Millions of people in the US drive to work everyday. ~100 of them die in vehicle accidents every day. Meanwhile ~5 people die a day at US workplaces

...Is this attempting to minimalize fatalities in workplaces? Cars have new safety features put on or improved every single year to save lives. What do you think you're arguing here?

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persolb t1_jdx3eco wrote

I guess my point was that, much like driving to work, people take risks people take risks when working. The biggest risk, by far, that people take is driving to work in the first place.

The remainder of the risks are minuscule in comparison. A defensive driving course would make everyone safer than OSHA 10.

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17times2 t1_jdx949c wrote

> A defensive driving course would make everyone safer than OSHA 10.

Do you have a stat for this, or are you just continuing to minimize the efforts of workplace safety? There's a big difference between idiots on the road you have little to no control over, and say, an exposed pump with moving parts that has been reported 3 times to management until Phil got too close and it pulled his hand in and now they finally put a metal shield over the damn thing. Although I guess Phil's wasn't a fatality so he doesn't count against workplace safety...

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persolb t1_jdxagd7 wrote

You are arguing a straw man. I never said we should ignore safety, I said safety wasn’t number 1.

If safety was number 1, we’d all refuse to drive to work.

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17times2 t1_jdxej30 wrote

Then by that logic, all of us should stay and hide in bed because there's danger outside. Congrats, you win the useless pedantic argument award.

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bradlees t1_jdwk5wj wrote

Oh I see persolb - dying is just a thing that everyone who goes into work just has to deal with. Like, who cares if you die at work. Right buddy?

Except people no longer have to die. Follow these rules and put this gear on or use these guards or follow these steps and you will never get killed at a job. Which is why your statistics are so low for workplace deaths.

I’m am betting you never saw someone get killed at work. Have you?

I have. Twice. Both “just wanted to get things done”. No extra time was saved and both will never see their kids grow up or go home again.

Comments like yours are just coming from a place where you don’t know any better. I felt that way too. Then I saw a guy get crushed. Another get smashed into the warehouse floor after falling from the top level racking.

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persolb t1_jdx0zd9 wrote

Four times. Two suicides by train, one roll away and crush, one because a scissor lift failed.

Excluding the two suicides, neither was ‘because they wanted to get it done’.

You missed the part where I said the goal is to mitigate risk. That does not mean safety is the first priority. The safest job is always the one that doesn’t happen.

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