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Twisted_Cabbage t1_jectuxd wrote

Not for long. That was the economy high on postpandemic low unemployment, people spending as post pandemic therapy, and all those funds from the government aid.

We are heading straight into a recession, inflation is still hammering the middle class, we have global food and supply issues still, threats of war accelerating in Europe, the chicken industry getting brutalized by bird flu, and a generation that actually believes in and actually takes climate change seriously (rather forgo a new car altogether rather than get slammed by a big corpo for a rediculouly priced EV)..while said generation keeps geting slapped in the face by the points made above, while also having to soon have their studen loan payments come due. Also...the banks, big investors see the writing on the wall, which is why so many of these banks are going bust.

Let's face it, the high of capitalism is wearing off. As a collective society, the West has to keep doing more and more desperate things to keep the economy rolling at full consumption until the planet dies mode. Ecosystems are failing on a global scale and food is becoming more and more insecure.

Suicide and crime, and depression, and hate, and desperation are all at all-time highs... this also does not make for a good driver of the economy. Many people who can, are starting to tighten up their belts in preparation for a big social or economic storm. Those not doing so tend to be living in a hopium bubble in the name of protecting their mental health or have an income that creates its own information bubble.

The pool of those who have the means to spend obscene amounts of money on an insultingly priced EV truck will soon get spent.

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notaredditer13 t1_jeddq6s wrote

Dear lord, that's an awful lot of argument against reality. What a sad, pathetic way to live, believing that reality sucks because even though it is actually great it might temporarily get worse in the future, maybe.

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popquizmf t1_jedxoxb wrote

Hold up. Now, I'm. Not suggesting the post above you was all rainbows and dancing, but bro, have you lived under a rock? Shit is less than ideal right now.

Just because it's depressing, doesn't mean it isn't mostly accurate.

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notaredditer13 t1_jeexy7y wrote

>Hold up. Now, I'm. Not suggesting the post above you was all rainbows and dancing, but bro, have you lived under a rock? Shit is less than ideal right now.

Prior post: Things suck.

Me: Things are great.

You: Things are "less than ideal".

There's a wide gulf between "perfect" and "suck" and "less than ideal" fills the entire gulf. "Great" is in there too. You didn't actually disagree with me, you just gave a wishy-washy/meaningless characterization.

No, things are not "ideal' (perfect). I didn't say they were. They're merely great.

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Dracoxidos t1_jee4wuv wrote

To be fair. They're not wrong. It's now a matter of "what do we do about it?"

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Twisted_Cabbage t1_jeejdma wrote

Not wrong, yet still downvoted. Hopium is a powerful drug.

It's the answer to your question about what to do about it that is so depressing and also why so many people are living in a hopium filled fever dream.

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Dracoxidos t1_jegw2ww wrote

I'm a clinical optimist.

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notaredditer13 t1_jeexj3y wrote

It's completely wrong. That's what "argument against reality" means. They're arguing that things (reality) suck, which is objectively false.

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Dracoxidos t1_jegvlho wrote

I guess I should have been more specific about what I'm saying isn't wrong. I'm saying all that stuff that was mentioned does exist, and it does suck. I get that's being subjective and some of the stuff in the comment is probably inconsequential to their immediate personal life. It still sucks. So, what can we do about it?

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notaredditer13 t1_jegxzmq wrote

>I guess I should have been more specific about what I'm saying isn't wrong. I'm saying all that stuff that was mentioned does exist, and it does suck.

No, I know that's what you mean, and it's wrong. Basically everything that guy said that's specific enough or backwards-looking (so available facts to support/refute) is factually wrong. Just one example:

>...crime... are all at all-time highs...

There's lots of different crimes, but most of them peaked in the 1980s. Here's murder:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/187592/death-rate-from-homicide-in-the-us-since-1950/

Note: it went up a bit during COVID to 6.9, still way below what it was in the 1980s.

"violent crime"

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/IF12281.pdf

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