2SP00KY4ME t1_iqpkdks wrote on October 2, 2022 at 4:01 AM

The point is they should explicitly use the word 'civilian'. The distinction that these were completely innocent victims is a central enough part of the story to have been part of the title.

Just calling it a 'convoy' is to say the distinction isn't worth adding to the headline. It's like calling a school shooting a 'building shooting' or a torture chamber a 'detainment camp'. The shockingness of the event is not being reflected in the word choice.

And don't say this isn't shocking anymore. It may not be surprising or unexpected that the Russian military is so openly massacring civilians, but it is still as real as the first time they did it.

Brtsasqa t1_iqqduz9 wrote on October 2, 2022 at 10:04 AM

I mean, stick to newsweek if you want a clickbait title like "Russia brutally murdered civilians once again" with no article to speak of so there's no additional information that's not already in the title. To each their own and all that. But I'm going to go ahead and say that aljazeera's reporting is 100x more fitting of the term "quality journalism" than whatever you seem to be expecting of your newspaper titles/articles.

2SP00KY4ME t1_iqrpz28 wrote on October 2, 2022 at 4:49 PM

I wanted the word "civilian" added to convoy. That's not clickbait. But if that's the level you need to exaggerate to feel like you can have an argument against me, you do you.

Brtsasqa t1_iqrvjiq wrote on October 2, 2022 at 5:25 PM

You literally called it a trash headline in your first sentence. If you want to blame people for exaggerating, start by looking at yourself.

2SP00KY4ME t1_iqs2frw wrote on October 2, 2022 at 6:06 PM

It is a trash headline because it doesn't specify that this happened to civilians, which is to imply the delineation isn't worth making. Wanting that word added does not make the title clickbait, I'm sorry.

Brtsasqa t1_iqs8bml wrote on October 2, 2022 at 6:42 PM

Your lack of literacy made you misunderstand a perfectly adequate headline, and instead of learning something from it, you decided that no, it must be the headline that's wrong.

The headline is accurate. It provides a short introduction into a topic that is further specified in the article. You could add any number of words to include more information in the headline - the number of cars, where it occurred, the fact that the shots have been fired from close range, Russia not acknowledging the event, some of the victims being children - but if you want anything readable, you have to leave some details for the article itself. Some illiterate dude making wrong assumptions about details that were not specifically mentioned in the title does not make a trash headline.

2SP00KY4ME t1_iqsj20f wrote on October 2, 2022 at 7:48 PM

Now you talk about making the title "unreadable", after I just specified to you the one word I want added. You're arguing against a made up person.

I know it's way easier for you to approach this like I'm an idiot calling for a complete title rework, but try actually responding to what I'm saying instead of coming up with your own strawmen and inserting them for an easier time. Again, the definition of a convoy has militaristic associations. Literally look up the definition. It can also mean either military or civilian. Thus, this title does not explicitly state that it happened to civilians. These are facts. You just have to deal with them.

That these were civilians is an absolutely integral part of the story and should be part of the title. The specific number of cars, the range, Russia's response are minute details, and you know that. The fact this happened to civilians is not, and you know that.

I can have a problem with the title not including one word that is completely integral to the context of the story. I know the insults are fun to throw around, but that doesn't make me illiterate, sorry.

Brtsasqa t1_iqt0vvy wrote on October 2, 2022 at 9:40 PM

Stop playing dumb. You accidentally proclaimed your illiteracy by insulting a perfectly correct title. It happens. Learn from it and move on.

2SP00KY4ME t1_iqt3e6q wrote on October 2, 2022 at 9:57 PM

My original comment said 'convoy' makes it sound militaristic. The dictionary definition of the word specifies militaristic associations, and can mean either civilian or military. Upon prompt, I explained the distinction that this event was civilian is an important enough one to make in the title.

I literally cannot explain this simpler to you, but at this point you're obviously laser focused on just trying to own a stranger, so I don't really feel the need to defend myself to you anymore. Hopefully you can find some better outlets for your energy. Have a good one!

ZongopBongo t1_iqpjnuq wrote on October 2, 2022 at 3:54 AM

Its a shit headline because its imprecise and vague is their point. If it was civilians, being specific about it being a civilian convoy is a detail worth putting into the title

24 killed after Ukraine evacuation convoy shelled: Governor

Brtsasqa t1_iqpcotm wrote on October 2, 2022 at 2:49 AM