> Israel blocks out 5 months of daily language studying for people who just moved there. They still do manual labor, but they're not going to get an office job until they understand the language. So hey, maybe tell Israel that they're doing it wrong, lol.

That's fine because most asylum seekers aren't getting office jobs even if they already learn English. That's the fact of it. We've seen that historically first generation largely end up in blue collar work. Asylum seekers generally aren't also classed as skilled workers. That's why they're claiming asylum, not for a work visa.

Asylum seekers do not have the right to work, and Asylum applications even once in-country often take over a year. So that's over a year where you're being supported by the state, given a place to live, money for food, clothes, and opportunities such as language courses. So it really doesn't matter whether they speak English or not.

> Quotas defeat the entire purpose of asylum. In 2020, you would have had virtually no asylum seekers from Ukraine. Today you have millions. A quota makes no sense.

It does, because if we didn't have quotas and just said "come one come all!" our culture, society, public services would look very different right now, and we wouldn't have space for anyone from Ukraine either.

> Or whatever country works best for them. I see no benefit in making them stay in places where they can't be productive and where they have no family.

Okay but what's the point here? You're making the assumption that every illegal immigrant speaks fluent English and nothing else, and has family in the UK, which isn't true. So why are you so bent out of shape? You've beaten this horse enough, in your fairy land where everyone only speaks English and already has family in the UK it makes sense, in reality it doesn't.

> France lets anyone from the EU move there without permission

Well.. Yes.. That is what the EU is, and what every country in the EU has to do.. Notice how Afghanistan, Iraq, Burkina Faso, Somalia are not members of the EU..... Kind of important tidbit.

We already went through this with Polish and Lithuanian immigrants when we had such a large influx. A lot were great, but a lot are still working at car washes cash in hand and equally unproductive/unuseful jobs that benefits no one. The rate of migration from eastern europe was arguably more damaging to eastern europe than it was us. My hometown had Polish ambassadors come over on 3 different occasions to try to tempt Poles back to Poland because they had such a workforce deficit. Not many returned yet there were still 2 bed homes being lived in by 10+ working age eastern europeans doing construction. Clearly there just wasn't, and isn't the space for the same rate of immigration then, let alone now.

You also just can't be an EU citizen, move to France, and say "Benefits, please". You're expected to work, and you can't receive state benefits until you're a worker. If 100 million people moved to France tomorrow, 97 million of them wouldn't find work, and wouldn't be entitled to state benefits, and would have to leave.

If the UK let in 5 million asylum seekers tomorrow, they have no right to work and are state-sponsored from the moment their application is in, meaning they have to be provided a place to live, and money for every day living. After they're granted asylum, whether they can get a job or not, they still receive state benefits.

It's extremely fucking different and it's embarrassing that I've spent this long replying to you and only now realising you don't even understand the basics.

> who can't go home because they'll be killed.

I think you have rosetinted glasses on. This isn't the case for a lot of immigrants, especially ones crossing the channel. There's a difference between genuine asylum seekers and economic migrants. There's a reason why immigrants from some countries are largely adult men.

The UK already takes on a lot of immigrants, a bigger burden than most EU countries actually. Especially when you factor in that the UK has generally taken a larger percentage of elderly immigrants and child immigrants than the rest of the EU.

If you can't go home because "you'll be killed" - but you make it across the entirety of Europe illegally, to finally get to the English channel, and you then risk the lives of your family to cross the channel because you've deemed it too difficult to learn another language despite your kids likely not speaking English anyway, you lose a lot of sympathy.

You want ALL the migrants to be let into the UK - that's fine. Good luck finding somewhere for them to live, finding the billions to fund their support. The UK really isn't that bad when it comes to asylum seekers (asylum seekers, not immigrants, they're different things), or immigrants, and have taken in a large amount historically too, including when we were in the EU.

I just think you lack any understanding whatsoever of how immigration works and your whole "But 100 million people could move to france tomorrow!" thing really showed it off. It's the same level of ignorance as saying you have a "50/50 chance of winning the lottery, you win or you lose". On the surface it sounds like there's a sliver of truth to it but kick up one grain of sand and you expose the absolute fuckery of it.