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McCree114 t1_iuf40eo wrote

If they're so confident that their ideology is right then this shouldn't be necessary, right? You'd only resort to this if you're sure your ideas are unpopular and you're being paid to protect the interest of a small wealthy minority that seek to keep the people from having a democratic say in their country, right?

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UNOvven t1_iufdmxz wrote

Fascism is home to a lot of doublethink like that. The enemy is both strong and weak.

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skyfishgoo t1_iufxgdi wrote

fascism also eats itself alive, eventually.

unfortunately, innocents suffer in the meantime.

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StateChemist t1_iug3rc4 wrote

Unfortunately it’s seeds keep cropping up in other places like the most horrible weed.

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skyfishgoo t1_iugebop wrote

that's what happens when the masses are pushed beyond the breaking point... they break for radical change and elect strongmen to carry out their will

but they never do... they always seem to get caught up in the trappings of power.

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jschubart t1_iuh8ayn wrote

Not quickly enough. Francisco Franco ruled Spain for way too fucking long.

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torpedoguy t1_iufat56 wrote

They're confident their ideology is right, but they're not so stupid as to think "let's utterly fuck up most of the nation for our benefit" is going to be popular.

  • They're also not so stupid as to think "we're eliminating democracy because I AM YOUR GOD! KNEEL BEFORE YOUR EMPEROR!" would allow them to live for long.

When deceit is no longer enough for democracy to serve conservatism, conservatives swiftly put an end to it; they just also happen to know its safer to pretend it's still a thing and accuse everybody else of being 'the real threat' against it.

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Tiabb t1_iufd5ze wrote

It's also a win win for Bolsonaro. If he wins he'll say this isn't a problem and will prevent any investigation into it. If he loses he'll blame this and launch a massive investigation and either do an outright coup or second election.

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winksoutloud t1_iugghr2 wrote

Why does that sound familiar? Thinks in American

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Ameisen t1_iuiq9dc wrote

Well, he said there was massive voter fraud even after he'd won.

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calumin t1_iufykim wrote

This behavior is part of the ideology in which they’re so confident.

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HDC3 t1_iuhfx83 wrote

The GOP and their supporters are doing the same thing in the US. Fascists are all playing from the same playbook.

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64557175 t1_iuh5i0r wrote

I'm not sure why I'm sharing this here especially as this comment is 11hrs old, but:

I think what is essentially going on is a battle between the limbic system and neocortex in humans as a species. It is a battle over which is used as the main circuit for decision making. It has been the limbic system for so long and is now kind of cornered at an end game. It's going to get ugly.

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pedrosorio t1_iuhk042 wrote

Regardless of the specifics in this election, I would just like to point out that, in principle, right is not synonymous with popular. One of the issues with democracy.

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Ok_Vacation3128 t1_iuiy2vj wrote

You could be confident that the people will vote against their own wishes. That they know what they want and will vote for someone who sounds credible but will not deliver.

I’m not justifying it, it’s obviously wrong. But god damn look the world over - we vote in these clowns - so maybe we shouldn’t be trusted to decide what’s right.

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