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TrunksTheMighty t1_iuoxxu1 wrote

It's really bothersome to me that some families would rather care for someone that is clearly not there anymore. It's sad and I hope it never happens to me, I think if I ever go into surgery, I'm going to stipulate dnr and give instructions on not to be kept alive on life support.

Condolences to this family and the poor guy this happened to.

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Thetruthislikepoetry t1_iupb839 wrote

Every place I’ve worked you are required to be a full code when going to OR. Why? No surgeon wants a patient to die on the OR table.

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LoverlyRails t1_iupryh6 wrote

For about a year, I received botox treatments for migraines. Every single time I came in to the neurologist's office for the treatment, I had to sign paperwork stating I wanted to be receive everything possible (the full code) if neccessary or they would not do the botox.

I'm guessing it's similar. A small, but slight risk of something going terribly wrong.

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coreyman317 t1_iuqvsqx wrote

So why would you risk that for Botox? Just bizarre.

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ravingriven t1_iuqwlfs wrote

Did you skip over the part where they said it was for migraines?

Botox has many uses far beyond just cosmetic

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coreyman317 t1_iur1lg9 wrote

So take poison for migraines? You’d have to be stupid to do that lol

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zanraptora t1_iuri7b4 wrote

We use purified toxins all the time in medicine. Botox specifically was cleared by the FDA in 2010. Turns out a paralytic compound is pretty great at stopping headaches caused by misfiring musculature that doesn't have much practical use.

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craznazn247 t1_iuro1fr wrote

Warfarin is the primary ingredient in rat poison, but we do controlled microdoses with frequent monitoring, and that has been the gold standard for blood clot prevention for decades. Factor Xi drugs are now the gold standard but only due to slightly less bleeding risk than warfarin. Last I checked the clot prevention is still considered equal to warfarin, but those new drugs are expensive as hell at over $500/month if your insurance doesn’t cover it.

Besides, some of us get migraines so painful and enduring that in the moment, that being prescribed a bullet starts to sound reasonable. Botox is safely used for wrinkles and overactive sweat glands - things that people can easily live without. So why not use it in situations where it can alleviate chronic pain and suffering with minimal (or even desired) side effects if done right? Other than the localized effects, it can have a lot fewer systemic effects than some of the drugs used.

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LoverlyRails t1_iur1ypy wrote

I have severe migraines that have neurological symptoms (like I have had a stroke). For example- I have briefly forgotten my children's names, how to tie my shoes, how to use a phone. I still have memory loss and other neurological issues (like a severe inability to do math and aphasia) even despite treatment.

Before treatment, I was getting migraines most days a month (over 25).

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GreyFoxLemonGrass t1_iuph5bi wrote

You can write a living will with that info! That way if you ever get in an accident your family and doctors will know your wishes.

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HIM_Darling t1_iuqvqso wrote

If you are in possession of a uterus make sure to specify that your wishes are the same if you are found to be pregnant. And be super specific. If I’m coma wishes are xyz, even if pregnant, if I’m vegetative state wishes are abc, even if pregnant, if declared brain dead wishes are xyz, even if pregnant, etc.

Texas has already tried that bullshit once. Woman was brain dead, and despite her wishes being not to remain on life support the hospital said that because she wasn’t pregnant at the time she made that decision and she didn’t specify that her wishes would be the same if she were pregnant they were going to pretend that she wanted her dead body to be used as an incubator. It took several months of her husband and her parents fighting the hospital in court before even the judge had enough of the hospitals bullshit and ordered them to check on the status of the fetus(they kept saying they couldn’t tell). Hospital finally had to admit the fetus was incompatible with life and the judge ordered them to take her off life support.

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GreyFoxLemonGrass t1_iusg9tq wrote

Wow, thank you for the heads up. What an awful thing to have to consider.

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fr3ng3r t1_iuqi40h wrote

Is it only done thru a lawyer or can one just handwrite it, leave it in a drawer somewhere, & tell someone about it prior to surgery?

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Levlove t1_iuqz9jz wrote

You can do it without a lawyer and get it notarized. Legalzoom has a really easy format that asks questions and then puts it all together for you. Then you get it notarized, make sure your POA knows where to find it, and move on.

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GreyFoxLemonGrass t1_iusfya9 wrote

It depends on your state, and either way you should make sure to give copies to friends/relatives in case they need to decide and haven’t yet gone through your desk drawers.

In my state you need to use specific forms for it to be legally binding. I made a google doc and called that good enough, because I hope my family would follow my wishes without needing to be forced legally (and also I am lazy).

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Blu3Army73 t1_iuoztqq wrote

I'll just stipulate to put all my favorite shows and movies on shuffle in my room so at least I'm never bored

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[deleted] t1_iupbahl wrote

It would be Supernatural for me.

Except season 7. I’m haunting whoever lets season 7 air while I’m a vegetable.

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SaltyTowels t1_iupesjv wrote

True I would much prefer death to that, but in this situation the last thing I would be receptive to as a greiving family member would be an Organ Donation approach from the hospital. Call me having pride or arrogance if you must, but how would I know they wouldn't screw up the organ harvest too? And of course it's not like the hospital did it intentionally. Man I feel so bad for everyone. I'm just thankful when I was told my aunt was braindead the decision was as clear as crystal.

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Zidane62 t1_iuq6mt3 wrote

My family had to do that for my mom during the delta wave. The doctors said they could keep her alive but she’s already gone. We chose to let her go on her terms instead of hooked up to machines the rest of her life. She would have wanted that

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shewy92 t1_iuroblc wrote

It's kinda selfish to keep someone "alive" like that IMO.

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