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JohnHwagi t1_ixvbese wrote

Why post this article?

There is no info either way except that he was accused and he denies it, so all we’re going to get is a Reddit dumpster fire referendum on whether people like this guy or not.

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oliveorvil t1_ixw7jni wrote

Actually being charged with something is much more than a mere accusation.. plenty of people don’t get anywhere with the justice system with a simple accusation, even with evidence

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oliveorvil t1_ixwebeo wrote

This isn't a proclamation of this person's guilt.. it's saying he's charged. If people are mistaking this for him being found guilty then that's their own fault for not understanding how crime/prosecution works.

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oliveorvil t1_ixwl5dy wrote

It definitely has bearing on whether they're actually guilty lol you can't be found guilty if you aren't charged with a crime in the first place.. but that doesn't mean they're guilty, it's just the first step. They still are innocent until proven guilty. It's kind of hard to tell what you're arguing for here.. are you saying it shouldn't be reported when someone is charged? or that people need to stop conflating the two?

The problem with not reporting when someone is charged is that there is a nonzero amount of people out on bail that are in fact guilty.. so the public would deserve to know. This is a scenario where it's a lot of gray area and there's no clean solution that balances both justice and liberty (or in this case the liberty of the person charged with the liberties of the public around them).. I think your logic is also based on the false pretense that if you're innocent of a crime that a state has charged you with, then you're shit out of luck regardless of whether you're found innocent or guilty which isn't true.. People have the right to use the court to sue as well.

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khamelean t1_ixwyjcs wrote

All suspects are guilty!! Otherwise they wouldn’t be suspects, would they?

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DownvoteDaemon t1_ixyxek7 wrote

I get your point mam, but people are rarely just randomly charged with sexual misconduct or assault for no reason. It's scary the number of platonic women friends I know who have gone through sexual assault.

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Etiennera t1_ixvx7f0 wrote

Something is really broken in culture where we value indictments more than judgements.

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PartyLikeAByzantine t1_ixxn65p wrote

>If a DA or their prosecutors could be trusted, we would not need to have jury trials.

I know you're quoting someone else, but that's beyond horseshit. It is a complete misunderstanding of trials. It is possible (indeed, common) to have an honest dispute of the facts of a case. That is the purpose of a jury: to be neutral, independent arbiters of facts. That is why civil suits (which usually do not involve the state as a litigant) also go to jury trial.

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JohnHwagi t1_ixwhxhz wrote

I’ve not claimed this actor is innocent nor guilty, nor made any comments about that specific attorney. These comments apply to the common law justice systems as a whole.

District and defense attorneys are adversarial figures, and should always be viewed with distrust due to their goals. Neither a DA nor a defense attorney is inherently interested in “justice”. They’re interested in winning their case, and only by putting those two interests against each other do we have enough information for a decision to be made by an impartial third party (the jury).

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JohnHwagi t1_ixwkp7q wrote

Yeah, but the idea of whether someone has been charged or not is meaningless in determining their guilt within common law systems. The accusation itself and the denial is the only relevant part currently. Whether there are additional accusers or a way to corroborate this accusation will be used to determine his guilt at trial. The fact that he was charged is explicitly ignored as evidence for obvious reasons.

On the topic of prosecutors being general fuckups, Bill Cosby was not charged during multiple investigations before he was first brought to trial. Ray Rice punched a woman in an elevator on a recoding that prosecutors had, and they did not press charges until public outcry forced them to much later. Given that these decisions are often so obviously wrong, in favor of and against defendants, we should not give the decisions made at these offices credence.

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