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BaburTheBlunt OP t1_ixmlmvt wrote

Reply to comment by starbucksbasic in Dutch court rules 2007 Dutch bombing in Afghanistan was illegal by BaburTheBlunt

Very well said. So there should be equal criticism of both right? But as soon as I say this i get downvoted everywhere. If qatar WC is wrong. So is USA hosting the WC. I hope NATO people open their mouth and talk against US and wear armbands which show bring notice towards US war crimes. Equal criticism is all I want.

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quantum-quetzal t1_ixmo7d9 wrote

The US has a lot of problems, but if you genuinely believe that they're of equal standing to Qatar, you're absolutely delusional.

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AbdulAziz9715 t1_ixpo26n wrote

For you they may not be. But out there there is a father, who had nothing to do with the "terrorist" who happened to be there, whose child was killed by US strikes. There are countless stories like these, and for all those people the US is the biggest bad guy in the world. And let's not even talk about the racial discrimination still prevalent in the United States.

US and Qatar, along with almost every superpower during any time in history, have committed crimes against humanity. The West just decides to highlight Arab countries while quietly sweeping their own mess under the carpet so that they can show themselves on a higher moral ground.

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starbucksbasic t1_ixmqyyc wrote

Both things being true doesn’t make it equal, and in my view violations to the human rights of your citizens and any visitors during a world event negates the enjoyment of that world event; while military mishaps in terrorist controlled territory bears no effect on a nation’s ability to host an event. You’ve got one hell of a mental gymnastic capacity to make this false equivalence.

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BaburTheBlunt OP t1_ixmurcf wrote

Killing innocent people in a foreign country based on a fake war is not human rights abuse? So it shouldn't count against USA and its allies?

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karma_aversion t1_ixngcie wrote

The war in aphganistan was fake? Never heard of 9/11, Osama Bin Laden, etc. It was a badly planned war but it was very real.

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WillJ_UK t1_ixo6ct4 wrote

Afghanistan wasn’t a fake war. It was justified and Afghans got freedom for 20 years.

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SudoKun t1_ixmrged wrote

Extreme whatabouttism, wow. This article is not even about the US. Pretty much nobody is mentioning war crimes in the whole world cup debacle. It is about modern slave labour and human rights. And human rights are a very low bar, to be honest. You can still live a very shitty life when all your human rights are in tact. And defending to not even give people that minimum in dignity is the hill you want to die on? Because „bUt tHe UsA iS aLsO bAd“? Yea they are, and it feels like every second post on reddit mentions something bad about the US and they are the butt of the joke world wide for the last 20 years. Now it is Qatar‘s turn to be criticised a bit, at least a couple weeks and then nobody will care about them again beyond the question if we buy their oil or gas.

The world cup should have never gone to Qatar, and I hope it is enough of a shit show that it will not end up in Saudi Arabia in a couple years. FIFA is corrupt and most people do not care, but there is a line how openly corrupt you can be, and FIFA found out the hard way.

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BaburTheBlunt OP t1_ixmvm3z wrote

I said i agree. But US too has issues so why no one asking FIFA to take the WC away from US. Didn't US wage a 20 yr invasion in Iraq n Afghanistan? Shouldn't it count against it? Is saying that there should be equal criticism of both countries such a radical statement which cannot be accepted?

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teh_fizz t1_ixqzphf wrote

I mean, the slave labour issue is that it was used for the World Cup. I don’t recall the US ever invading a country to hold a sports tournament.

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FartPudding t1_ixn2h2v wrote

You're joking right? Just because the US has some bad things now all of a sudden its equal to Qatar? Have you not looked into what Qatar has done?

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setmeonfiredaddyuwu t1_ixnou4d wrote

Because the crimes aren’t equal. For every time a US missile accidentally hits a hospital, an Arab militant group intentionally blows up ten. For every time a US troop shoots a civilian, Arab governments kill a thousand.

“You westerners talk about your freedom of speech, but the US suppressed protests!” Well, Iran is currently Tiananmen-ing their protesters. These things aren’t equal, and it’s why the criticism isn’t equal. Don’t pretend you want equal criticism. You want the criticism of the side you oppose to increase.

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starbucksbasic t1_ixms78u wrote

Ah yes, an instance of domestic terrorism in one of the many western nations is equivalent to the government endorsed and culturally backed honor killings, forced transition, rapes, imprisonments, murders, etc. /s

Yes, good job, you got them! Wonder how all those Western nations will recover from your lacerating acknowledgment that we have some morally corrupt individuals while the Arab world has a morally bankrupt state and miseducation problem… maybe we’ll use some of our freedom to cope.

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setmeonfiredaddyuwu t1_ixy690e wrote

I think, to cope, I’ll go have a beer, not get killed for being my religion, and not executed for criticizing the state, and not stoned to death for the beer.

Then I’ll walk home to my wife who loves me, who I didn’t purchase like a rug, and play the uncensored versions of video games. Maybe I’ll check on my sister, who hasn’t been raped, then executed for being a rape victim, or stoned to death for singing, even if she is horrible at it.

Then maybe I’ll go to protest and not be beaten to death by the police. After that, I think I’ll go on social media and talk to the rest of the world, and not be censored, or again, executed, for my political views. Perhaps I’ll decide I don’t like my government, and I’ll vote against the people representing me. It might have an effect! Perhaps tomorrow l’ll decide to change my career to journalism and not be beaten, tortured, and chopped into pieces.

Honest to god, I’m not sure I can point to a facet of the Arab world that isn’t terrible. Also, what the heck is a forced transition? I’ve never heard that term before.

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starbucksbasic t1_ixy7qx8 wrote

Iranian law doesn’t have the same aversion towards gender reassignment than homosexuality and will push/force gay men into a forced transition as a preferable social outcome. “Curing” homosexuality through gender reassignment has been gaining traction amongst Islamic religious figures.

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starbucksbasic t1_ixmtxx6 wrote

Why do you think one country having problems with unruly citizens and a single radicalized wave of politicians somehow exempts the Arab world from its backwards theocratic dictatorships and human rights violations? Why do you think outdated gun laws being wrong in a Western nation that isn’t even in the article somehow negate all criticism of Qatar?

“Dickhead”? How young are you? Ah oh no, random mental gymnastics redditor called me a dickead, how will I ever recover?/s

Clearly you are here with an anti west and anti US agenda. Have fun, just know two things: 1. This is an English speaking website 2. Your quips and comments are not anywhere nearly as clever as you think they are.

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starbucksbasic t1_ixmv25y wrote

Lol if you are British which I HIGHLY doubt, then you thick af. If you think Qatar and America are anywhere near the same then you haven’t been out there very much. Get a grip on reality.

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