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ShanghaiCycle t1_ivr90js wrote

> I’ve seen the Chinese wumaos and nationalists call for the glassing of Taiwan just because it’s just a small amount of people (25 million) since they are expendable as there’s plenty of Chinese people who can take their place

Cool anecdote. I'm sure there are, but I heard some Canadians call for the ethnic cleansing of all Arabs.

> I see indications of this leaning from your comment too

No. You're saying you want the Taiwan diaspora vote to compete with the mainland vote (assuming you don't get your wish for them to be stripped of voting rights) when it is less than 1%.

> Taiwan is a separate country to china

Oh cool, maybe going by Republic of China, celebrating China's national holidays, using China's flag, holding China's place in the international community for decades, using the map of China on all official military logos, holding a piece of mainland China, sticking Sun Yat-Sen's face on everything (who has never been to TW), etc. might lead people to believe they have been trying to be the real China.

> and is a flourishing democracy with high tech capabilities, decades ahead of china and its infantile authoritarian views…

Good for them, I like Taiwan. I like Taiwan more when they have amicable relations with Beijing, who they do most of their trade with. Before COVID, you could fly direct to Taiwan from mainland China, and even still you can find thousands of Taiwanese working in cities like Shanghai and Wenzhou. That's much more healthy than, let's say, America and Cuba, who are in a similar geographic situation.

Taiwan's democracy flourished during that time (1990s-2010s), before then it was a military dictatorship hell bent on taking back the mainland and holds the world record for longest martial law period.

Also, it's easier to develop a liberal democracy on an island half the size of Ireland, population of a Chinese city, homogenous population and a head start (untouched by WWII, part of Japanese Empire). And again, I'm not shitting on Taiwan.

> There’s already been plenty of evidence of Chinese censorship attempts of spreading to free countries

Try to make that sentence make sense.

> meddling in democracies

Ask any country in South America or Africa, and it's not China they're worried about in that regard. Name any coup in the past 30 years with China's fingerprints on it...

> whereas there has not been evidence from Taiwan, japan, Korea

Maybe you're too young to remember the Moonies, a South Korean cult that dominated the American and Asian far right. Taiwan is tiny as I said, but they have ordered a hit on Henry Liu in the 80s.

And Japan, if this was the 1980s, you'd be talking about the Japanese menace just as you are talking about China. Whenever a country looks like it's going to be a competitor of the US. Japan is now a subservient where they just let US military personnel have their way with the locals, because what are they going to do about it?

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evorna t1_ivra5yf wrote

Haha what a pile of nonsense and deceptions… I’ll just highlight one refutal from personal experience. You cheated by omission…

My Chinese wife needed to go to Taiwan last time she was in china and she could not as a PRC passport holder leave china to fly directly to Taiwan over a year before Covid. We had to go to another country and fly to Taiwan from there due to the Chinese dictatorships infantile totalitarian approach to things when it doesn’t get its way - stop the normal Chinese people from flying directly from china to Taiwan

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ShanghaiCycle t1_ivrc6fk wrote

Chinese citizens don't use their passport to fly to Taiwan, since neither side recognises eachother as a foreign country.

> All Mainland residents cannot travel to Taiwan on their passports when departing from Mainland China and must hold a Travel Permit to and from Taiwan (往來台灣通行證), colloquially known as Mainland Resident Travel Permit (大通證), issued by the Chinese authorities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Taiwan

So the five times I was on a plane from China to Taiwan full of PRC citizens doesn't seem to match your girlfriend's experience.

If we are using anecdotes, my Indonesian friend was blacklisted from Taiwan and was given no reason.

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