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Kzickas t1_iwichht wrote

Reply to comment by WexfordHo in Three Israelis killed by Palestinian in West Bank knife and car attack by WexfordHo

If the Israelis actually wanted peace you would hear about Israelis acknowledging that Israel is the Palestinians' homeland, that taking the Palestinians' homeland from them is responsible for the conflict and seeking to allow the Palestinians who have been driven from their homeland to be able to return there and live their lives in freedom.

You never hear about Israelis doing that. What you constantly hear is Israelis demanding that their victims continue to be beaten into submission and who think they "want peace" because they hope for their victims to stop moving.

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WexfordHo OP t1_iwidi4z wrote

“Let us in and let us kill you, only then will there be peace” was a non-starter in the 1990’s and still is, however much you appeal to emotion to cover for the central premise of your demand. And no, a failure to get exactly what you want is not a blank cheque to commit decades of atrocities against anyone including your own people. In terms of who makes the Palestinians suffer, Hamas, the PLO and Islamic Jihad are the biggest perpetrators. Groups who would by the way, lose all of their money and power in the event of peace.

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Kzickas t1_iwie6rh wrote

It is very obvious that you are not at all interested in peace and only interested in continuing to oppress the Palestinians.

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WexfordHo OP t1_iwiejzr wrote

What did I say that makes that so clear to you?

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Kzickas t1_iwifrma wrote

The fact that you are completely unwilling to recognize the role that the injustice that has been and is being done to the Palestinians has in driving the conflict. The fact that you're not willing actually address the causes of the conflict but instead view "peace" as being synonymous with using violence to force the Palestinians to accept oppression. The fact that you explicitly recognize that peace would dis-empower groups like HAMAS but are still not willing to give the kinds of groups that they would lose power to the greatest asset they could possibly have; the ability to actually achieve Palestinian rights.

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WexfordHo OP t1_iwifw7r wrote

It doesn’t really feel like we’re having a conversation, as much as you’re using me to rant about something (based on your history) you spend all day every day ranting about. I’m not going to be a punching bag for you.

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jrgkgb t1_iwnjyve wrote

The Palestinians left their homes because they were warned Israel would be attacked when it was formed. They expected it to be a very short war.

It was indeed a short war, as were the several that followed it. Israel kept winning the wars where Israel was very much not the aggressor.

Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005. Gaza then elected Hamas as their government and their official policy has been “Death to Israel” since then.

Hence, Israel’s policy is “We put up a wall and won’t let munitions in. We won’t give you any more cement either because you used the last batch to build tunnels and kill us.”

They are also increasingly less interested in the opinions of other countries and people such as yourself who seem to not care when Israelis are killed.

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colossalboom t1_iwioklt wrote

Hear, Hear!

What do Israelis think would happen when they invade someone's home and land? Mind-boggling.

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