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ericchen t1_j2so628 wrote

Reply to comment by pokeybill in Pennsylvania officer killed, 2nd wounded; suspect shot dead by cloud_coder

That’s not what the data shows.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/01/13/us/police-officers-line-of-duty-deaths/index.html

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pokeybill t1_j2sr8vx wrote

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty_in_the_United_States#/media/File%3AUS_law_enforcement_deaths_in_the_line_of_duty_1791-2016.png

2013: 27 gunfire deaths 2014: 50 gunfire deaths 2015: 42 gunfire deaths 2016: 64 gunfire deaths 2017: 44 gunfire deaths 2018: 51 gunfire deaths 2019: 49 gunfire deaths 2020: 45 gunfire deaths 2021: 55 gunfire deaths

At any rate, it should be noted even the highest value in the past 10 years (64 in 2016) represents a miniscule % of police officers (0.014% of the 468,000 police officers employed in 2016)

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ericchen t1_j2srp8u wrote

That’s a far cry from the “consistently declining for years” or whatever you had before the edit.

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Unconfidence t1_j2tin81 wrote

Dude legit the only reason you're making this comment is because you're not looking at the image in the link.

We've been on a declining trend since the 1990's.

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ericchen t1_j2tjwxi wrote

Maybe if the argument was made 7 years ago it would be worth considering, but the image is way out of date. We’ve had 3 presidents since the most recent data point on that chart.

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Unconfidence t1_j2tkhaq wrote

Yeah and gun violence statistics take about a decade to compile. Unless you think there was some large increase in gun violence in that uncovered period, then it still stands to reason that we're on the lowest end of a declining trend.

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ericchen t1_j2tokbl wrote

That’s blatantly untrue, the article I linked to was published Jan 13, 2022 and referenced deaths in 2021.

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Unconfidence t1_j2tpw70 wrote

Dude this is one of the sources for the article you posted:

Murders rose sharply in 2020 but data is lacking across much of the country

2020, and we still lack complete data on that year. Here:

> The FBI has also recently changed its reporting system, which may negatively impact the amount of data the agency is able release going forward. The 2021 UCR report will be based on a collection system known as “NIBRS”, which lets agencies submit detailed information for each crime, including information on victims and relationships between offenders and victims.

>However, it’s more difficult for agencies to collect and report data with this level of detail, which will likely impact the number of agencies who participate – less than 10,000 agencies reported NIBRs data in 2020.

So, like I said, these figures take about a decade to compile.

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ericchen t1_j2ttnr6 wrote

And yet the numbers are up despite the more work required to compile data. And that also ignores the 2021-2020 years prior to the new system being implemented in 2021.

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Unconfidence t1_j2ty3v6 wrote

Maybe those relatively high numbers could have a little something to do with the fact that the country was on lockdown for two years prior? Just a thought.

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ericchen t1_j2tyvvl wrote

It’s not just relatively high, it’s high in absolute terms (number of deaths_. Besides, it’s not like the pandemic killed so many people that the denominator’ (population) has substantially changed. Population growth was still positive, albeit at a much slower rate.

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