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notbrokemexican t1_j6a899a wrote

Reply to comment by NeonHowler in El Salvador: Leaked Database Points to Large-Scale Abuses by 38384

They aren’t monsters, they’re still our people. You’re blaming the tree instead of the forest that is the US illicit drug demand and the way the US strategically suppresses Latin American economies.

It’s ignorance like this that keeps this system going. Instead of asking what are they doing that’s wrong, you ought to ask why that’s happening.

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Serverpolice001 t1_j6aapb1 wrote

Sorry to break it to you but criminal organizations as an extension of many governments are not uncommon and regularly exist outside the sphere of US influence

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NeonHowler t1_j6b68x4 wrote

To be fair, these gangs date back to American interference in the Salvadoran war and subsequent deportation of the criminals hardened in the US from gang their gang violence.

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Serverpolice001 t1_j6b970q wrote

First off Salvadoran immigrants will tell you they are already hardened from the violence in El Salvador and the journey to the US. The US doesn’t make them hardened.

Second, the Salvadoran civil war is not only 40 years ago (old, old gs 😉) they were colonized for four hundred years by the Spanish and had like 20 brutal regime changes or bloody paramilitary events even before the US civil war.

Yes the US eventually picked a SINGLE side in El Salvador after there was like 10 different government changes, sometimes encouraged or propelled by neighboring counties who thy were also in conflict with in the late 1970s, but the US was also at risk of destabilization due to massive immigration waves and Cold War anti-communism priorities.

Edit: context

Edit2: don’t get ur panties in a bunch we’re all learning

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NeonHowler t1_j6bygsu wrote

These gangs literally originated from California. The war sent them to California and gang violence forced them to form their own gangs to protect themselves. Yes, the US made them hardened in the methods of organized crime.

When they were deported they brought their lifestyle back to a land of unemployed violent men, which allowed them to continue under a new banner.

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Serverpolice001 t1_j6bzxzt wrote

But do you see how crazy that could sound? Despite a millennia of war, kleptocracy, and inequality the second-most, violent Central American country had no organized crime until after America exported gangs back to El Salvador? Gangs have exist everywhere, in every country far longer than america has been a country and there’s nothing unique about American gangs in spectrum of how they operate.

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NeonHowler t1_j6c2pi8 wrote

MS-13 and Barrio 18 are the biggest gangs and they both originated in California. Their reputation for extreme violence predated their rise in El Salvador.

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NeonHowler t1_j6b64gt wrote

American drug demand and weapon supply is absolutely a contribution. The war that the US supported and abandoned us after is absolutely a contribution.

That said, they’re gone and we’re having to clean this up for ourselves. They’re as human as the Nazi’s to most Salvadorans: only technically. It’s us or them at this point.

This isn’t heavy policing, this is a nornal war.

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