TheMostSamtastic t1_j5fr45m wrote on January 22, 2023 at 6:19 PM

Reply to comment by [deleted] in Sask. teen sentenced for killing his pregnant mom by nosotros_road_sodium

Some of us just don't think punishment results in any material improvement in the world, which is what matters. A sense of vengeance doesn't do anything besides reinforce the "me hate, me hurt" mentality that is at the core of these very crimes. I can't speak for everyone, but personally I don't believe in rehabilitative justice merely for sympathy's sake. I want results from my tax dollars.

NoStatic78 t1_j5fuwaq wrote on January 22, 2023 at 6:43 PM

Is it necessarily a desire for vengeance? Or is it sometimes, at least in some cases, simply a desire to see a clearly dangerous, broken individual removed from society for as long as possible, for the safety of everyone they come across?

Note that I'm not saying that the question necessarily applies to this particular case. There's absolutely nothing in this article on which to form an opinion about whether this kid is likely to hurt others again in the future.

TheMostSamtastic t1_j5glr88 wrote on January 22, 2023 at 9:34 PM

Let me be clear; I am not against incarceration. I believe in rehabilitative justice, but as long as a person proves a danger to the public then they should remain safely locked away. The only thing I took issue with was the notion that the meting out of justice should be done via harming those who have harmed.

Keylime29 t1_j5na2wx wrote on January 24, 2023 at 5:06 AM

Have you been the victim of a crime?

I ask because I wonder if you hold the same views if you had been molested or raped?

We aren’t talking about people who steal cars or shoplift.

These are people who deliberately hurt others, even kill.

If their victims survive, they will suffer the rest of their lives?

Why is the focus on the well-being of people who hurt people, sometimes deriving great pleasure while they do.

Why is their life more important than their victims and the rest of society?

Why is it okay to risk the safety of innocent people? These criminals chose to hurt others, they shouldn’t deserve more consideration than their victims and potential victims by giving them chances to do it again, ever.

Do you think they shouldn’t be punished? Why do you think there shouldn’t be unpleasant consequences?

TheMostSamtastic t1_j609s9s wrote on January 26, 2023 at 8:18 PM

Have I been raped, or has anyone attempted to murder me? Thankfully not, and I sympathize with anyone who has suffered through either of those horrendous things.

Have I ever been the victim of a crime? Yes, I've been mugged and carjacked at gun point.

As for why I believe what I believe, it is because inflicting harm on someone purely for the sake of harm doesn't benefit anyone. There is not a regain by society from that. The crime is not undone, and we are not guaranteeing in anyway that it will not be repeated. Even if we execute people, the human genome can create a serpent from saints. You will never "kill" this part of humanity, nor will you be able to keep it from sprouting up somewhere else should you contain it in one case. The only hope we have at all of finding meaningful change is discovering the combination of circumstances which allow people to transcend their own evils. Beyond that, we are just satisfying our own sense of blood lust, or vengeance, and furthering the philosophy of laying low that which you hate, even if it's pointless, or even counter productive.