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The_Poster_Nutbag t1_j3srb61 wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in Colorado to stop busing migrants after pleas from NYC and Chicago mayors by callingforduty

Newsflash, migrants have always run American agriculture at the ground level. This isn't a new phenomenon, it's just large scale businesses taking over that are implementing these strategies.

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hungaryhasnodignity t1_j3sucpc wrote

They absolutely didn’t run weed on the ground level until recently. This has been devastating for smaller grows that we’re legally operating under the previous laws. Now everyone is back to being criminals that I know and it went from a job that paid living wages to one where large monied interest exploit migrants. This is not a positive change

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The_Poster_Nutbag t1_j3sxq2e wrote

I never said it was a positive change. I just noted that it's directly impacting your industry and now you're seeing its effects. The same way immigrants aren't operating backyard tomato grows, they weren't operating independent weed farms, but are now being brought into the fold as corporate businesses run the show.

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hungaryhasnodignity t1_j3t2470 wrote

Yes and now there are millions of more people here to be exploited as tools to further their goal of modern feudalism.

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The_Poster_Nutbag t1_j3t2sk1 wrote

Yes that's the problem with a broken immigration and labor system, you want a cookie or something?

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hungaryhasnodignity t1_j3t3n4h wrote

I want people to stop pretending that the Democratic Party is on the right side of this conversation. They seem very content right now to paint anyone who says this humanitarian crisis is a serious issue as a racist or white supremacist. The GOP is a cesspool of bigoted morons whose donors benefit from the status quo, but to see what has been allowed to happen the last two years at the border is just horrific. It’s not moral or ethical and it will not end well for the majority of this country.

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The_Poster_Nutbag t1_j3t3y2u wrote

You say it like it's a problem to be solved with a single pen stroke. Biden is not some progressive hailing change, I'm not sure why you think he is.

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hungaryhasnodignity t1_j3t4czg wrote

We never had it like this under Obama. It’s not about pen strokes, it’s about priorities. Even saying this is an issue gets you called a Republican and a racist. That’s insane

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The_Poster_Nutbag t1_j3t5f39 wrote

Please elaborate on what you mean by "had it like this". Simply acknowledging there is a humanitarian issue on the border isn't what gets you called a racist. It's how you talk about the people who need help that actually does make someone a racist. Like, when you say "they should just do it the way my ancestors did", well that's not possible because the system doesn't work that way and you're inferring that this makes them criminals breaking laws (which weren't prosecuted until 2004 as stated in an above comment). People willing to trek thousands of miles through dangerous land should be offered help if they come seeking it, not turned away at the gate and told "too bad so sad, should have come up here last century".

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hungaryhasnodignity t1_j3t6ikd wrote

Many of these people are economic migrants plain as day. This is class warfare masquerading as a moral obligation. If they’re legitimately seeking asylum then they should go to a point of entry and claim it legally. That’s not what many of these people are doing because that’s not what many of these people are.

It’s like the homeless. Many homeless people want to be homeless because they get to live without responsibility and do their drugs.

I don’t feel bad for these people.

I feel bad for the people who live here who are struggling to pay rent because it’s doubled in a few years and letting millions of people across the border to compete for the limited housing isn’t going to anything positive.

You act like millions of economic migrants who come here to work under the table doesn’t have negative impacts on the working class.

I read and was convinced of this issue by Cesar Chavez. That man was right then and he is right now. I just wish he had picked kinder language.

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The_Poster_Nutbag t1_j3t7k56 wrote

"It’s like the homeless. Many homeless people want to be homeless because they get to live without responsibility and do their drugs."

Okay, clearly you're just a moron. Goodbye.

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hungaryhasnodignity t1_j3t9w4r wrote

Dude talk to homeless people. They like being out there and many are high as fuck. It’s a lifestyle. Many don’t want to get clean and they don’t want jobs. They like being high and getting benefits like food stamps and economic aid. Have you ever worked in those communities? Being homeless is an economic strategy at this point.

Why would you work 40-50 hours a week to spend half your income on rent when you can sleep out and get benefits for not working? I don’t understand why more people aren’t choosing that path. Frankly living in my truck and buying a trailer has saved me tens of thousands of dollars a year in rent. I work when a I want to. I don’t do the drugs, but it’s liberating to be able to go where you want when you want. I don’t think you understand what’s going on in the margins of this society at all.

Since I’ve been back from Afghanistan I’ve never had a lease or a mortgage and spent years living in a vehicle to save money even while I worked.

Why would you choose to be a wage slave?

Once you get used to being homeless it’s way better than working at McDonalds or a factory. It’s freedom.

https://youtube.com/shorts/13FO8uHWXlw?feature=share

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The_Poster_Nutbag t1_j3tbfkr wrote

Ah yes, because this YouTube video speaks for the multitude of homeless people struggling with addiction and mental health issues. Great argument. Again, you sound like a moron.

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hungaryhasnodignity t1_j3tgyf6 wrote

I just spent most of June and July working full time as a volunteer with homeless drug addicts in Colorado. Again I’m speaking from experience. I like these people, but most of them would never choose housing over drugs. If people don’t want treatment you can’t house then because it gets destroyed. I and many like me gave up traditional housing because it’s a scam anyways. Visit r/vanlife for an example. Why would anyone pay 1200-2000 a month in rent? I don’t know what you think you know about marginal communities but I’ve spent 8 months in the last 2 years volunteering with unhoused and displaced people full time and I could educate you.

No one who works with homeless communities thinks that drug addicted ones want housing fyi. We know they don’t because they tell us they don’t.

https://portlandrescuemission.org/news/about-homelessness/when-homeless-people-dont-want-help/

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The_Poster_Nutbag t1_j3thit0 wrote

Trustfund kid vanlife and people who are unable to stop using heroin to the point where they live in the streets are not remotely the same thing. You sound ridiculous.

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hungaryhasnodignity t1_j3tj5ez wrote

It’s two sides of the life. First of most people living in vehicles are marginal as fuck. In spent two years in mine after Afghanistan. I’ve spent over a year of my life living in a tent as well.

Secondly, not every homeless person on drugs is on heroin, and in fact many aren’t serious drugs addicts.

It’s a super diverse community. You don’t know these people and I work with them for months at a time out of pocket. These TikTok people trying to monetize homelessness aren’t the people in the trenches of the housing crisis.

There are many people living in cars and RVs right now to avoid insane rents. I sold RVs and live in one so I know it’s happening. They buy buses too. Anything is better than rent for many of us. Why would you spend 50% of your income on housing? If you don’t have rent or a mortgage you don’t have to work full time to survive.

I work half the year and can still save moderately.

I dunno what to tell you, but housing is optional to a lot of people.

I would like to see the prices of rent normalize but that ship seems to have sailed. Instead they’ll keep passing anti camping and anti RV laws to try to force people back into working for Blackrock capital.

Like I said I don’t feel sorry for them, but I’ve spent thousands of dollars and months of my time feeding and helping people who lost their homes or chose not to have one. I just try to help when I can.

I just think it’s tragic what’s happened to this country.

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