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AnyIndividual1961 t1_j5jlwyf wrote

Jem doesn't have a soul. It was stolen, and your soul may have been stolen, not just lost and wandering.

I'm very sorry for what you are going through. I hope things get better soon.

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bitch_is_cray_cray t1_j5jmmj0 wrote

Ooo i love this take, but would he have been able to go to Hell without a soul? or is that too philosophical or whatever

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chalaismyig t1_j5lg3j1 wrote

Well Fiona went to hell without a soul

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bitch_is_cray_cray t1_j5lonod wrote

i just meant more in the sense can the devil keep someone a prisoner if they don't have a soul (similar to stories where the devil gets upset because the person has sold or given their soul to someone else and thus the devil can't have their soul), but valid point!

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chalaismyig t1_j5lpsoe wrote

You had good points too! WE ALL HAVE GOOD POINTS! Let's all point at Fiona with blacked out eyes and jaws otherworldly wide until she posts again 😍🤗

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tinypurplepiggy t1_j5ntqbo wrote

It seems to me that their soul is what's being tormented in hell. Nick even said he would be taking Jem's soul back, they only have a corporeal form because Nick wills it. I suppose it is possible that he had his soul taken previously but if he did all that killing while his soul was missing, you would think he would be horrified by his own acts, not eager to play out his fantasy. It sounds more like he was corrupted at some point. Maybe the Bies has been around a lot longer than previously thought

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