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LogicalAF t1_j9x9vgh wrote

Reply to comment by Batbuckleyourpants in Lawyer argues fetus of jailed pregnant woman is being illegally detained by He-is

Since the "kid", and let's be clear, fetuses are not kids yet but let's use the term for the sake of getting the point across, has no agency because it's in "life support", it's the right of the mother to decide if she wants him to stay in that place or not. If she decides she doesn't want her kid, who can't speak for himself, to be in prison, then they have to free him. Otherwise it's a violation of his constitutional rights.

If fetuses are people, then they have rights. If they can't talk, then the parents reserve that exclusive right to speak on their behalf.

You can't have it both ways.

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Batbuckleyourpants t1_j9xc6px wrote

If a mother was lost on a deserted island, she had what she needed to feed her self and her child. Would you find it acceptable for her to just leave her helpless kid alone, knowing it would starve?

Yes, parents can speak on behalf of the child, but to advance it's health and wellbeing, not to advocate it's detriment and demise.

We would never accept a mother deliberately ending the life of a toddler in her care if no adoption services were available.

The baby or even a fetus past a certain point of development in her womb is in her care, she has a responsibility to ensure it's safety and wellbeing. She is it's caretaker when there are no alternative caretakers to take over.

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WimpyLimpet t1_j9xscv1 wrote

> If a mother was lost on a deserted island

Let's be specific to the topic of this post. If a pregnant mother is jailed and her fetus is considered to be a living person. Does the fetus deserve to be locked up if it didn't commit any crimes?

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Batbuckleyourpants t1_j9xzu7o wrote

It is no more locked up than the mother is locking it up.

It has not been deprived of a single experience, nor deprived of a single right that is not outweighed by the fact it is alive.

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WimpyLimpet t1_j9y00ud wrote

> It has not been deprived of a single experience

Interesting way to put it. Would you say this also applies in the case of abortion?

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Batbuckleyourpants t1_j9y3rel wrote

Yes? not being deprived of a single experience speaks in favor of maintaining the status quo in this temporary situation.

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LogicalAF t1_ja12hss wrote

Listen, they don't trial cases based on hypotheticals, but on concrete facts. Fact 1: mother and fetus are locked in jail. Only one of them committed a crime (if we are to believe a fetus is a person). Fact 2: the mother was put in there as a punishment, but she did not put the fetus inside of her, therefore she's not imprisoning him...otherwise she could be forced to "free" him.

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Zeustitandog t1_j9z83rl wrote

So to be clear

You think pregnant women

Trap

Their baby’s?

You better be mentally I’ll and not a idiot

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Batbuckleyourpants t1_ja2mn8d wrote

Literally not what i said. I was mocking the idea that the baby was locked up.

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