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Rosebunse t1_jb9xgfd wrote

Reply to comment by dkdndkdmdmdmd in SC woman charged after allegedly consuming abortion pills to end pregnancy by MajesticOuting

What if it isn't consensual? What if the baby does pose a threat? When you take away abortion from everyone, it makes it harder for anyone to get it even if they fit your criteria for being allowed to have one.

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dkdndkdmdmdmd t1_jb9ytn5 wrote

Harder to get…because abortions to save the life of the mother are relatively rare. If the life of the mother is in jeopardy, hospitals should preform the procedure, not some hole in the wall, seedy abortion clinic.

If it is not consensual, I think that is a much harder argument against abortion because the rights of the mother were violated.

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Rosebunse t1_jbaf8l7 wrote

So we have seen this in action and what we see repeatedly is that the hospitals in question just wait for the mothers to get so sick that what was once a simple medical procedure turns into a life or death situation. Is that right?

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dkdndkdmdmdmd t1_jbafdbv wrote

I haven’t seen that. Can you show data on how common that is.

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Rosebunse t1_jbah733 wrote

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/16/health/abortion-texas-sepsis/index.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/woman-died-ireland-abortion-ban-warning-americans-roe-v-wade-rcna35431

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/07/26/1111280165/because-of-texas-abortion-law-her-wanted-pregnancy-became-a-medical-nightmare

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dkdndkdmdmdmd t1_jbammwr wrote

3 over an 11 year period with only one woman dying in Ireland. This is anecdotal, but laws can be written to better handle medically necessary abortions for specific conditions. The answer is not to legalize abortion for all to make it easier for a minute percentage of pregnancies.

In 2021 1035 people where murdered with knives. Should we ban knives to protect the rights of people?

Between 2012 and 2023, the period of time in the articles you cited, over 8,000,000 abortions have occurred in the US. That is the killing of 8,000,000 human beings. By comparison to the material mortality rate, there are about 1,000 times more abortions than deaths from maternal causes, and almost all of the maternal deaths were not due to lack of access to abortions.

CDC’s definition of maternal mortality:

“A maternal death is defined as, “the death of a woman while pregnant or within 42 days of termination of pregnancy,” but excludes those from accidental or incidental causes.”

Finland and Ireland had strict abortions laws and yet their maternal mortality rates were much lower than the US.

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Rosebunse t1_jbb5xkw wrote

How many of those children would have been born and actually lived? How many of them would have been given loving home and not been killed?

Tell me, what is the US maternity rate and how does it compare to that of other countries?

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dkdndkdmdmdmd t1_jbbi9ke wrote

Considering the overwhelming majority of abortions are done out of convenience and not due to the child having an abnormality, I would say most of the 8,000,000. I don’t understand why abortion advocates ask if the child would have been loved. If given a choice between being loved by my parents and being killed, I’d choose life every time. Should we kill children who were born but are neglected by their parents? Should we killed people with Down Syndrome or some disability?

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