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psychecaleb t1_iuwyxb0 wrote

Policy makers think: shoot tame wolves, they become wild wolves

Reality: shoot tame wolves, they become revenge wolves

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[deleted] t1_iuydu3u wrote

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CowFckerReloaded t1_iuygysh wrote

Paintballs hit hard enough to leave welts, not great to be hit by one unsuspectedly like these wolves.

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Drusgar t1_iuz4rrx wrote

>they will just dislike humans

That's the idea.

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FrozeItOff t1_iuz6fnk wrote

No, dislike as in, "Bite when see." not "Run away because I'm afraid of them."

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halisme t1_iv05doa wrote

Yes, that is part of the idea.

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Helixranger t1_iv2fl48 wrote

To prevent wolves from being a danger to humans, we potentially provoke them to attack humans instead?

Idk about how effective that plan is.

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newbikesong t1_iv0bcno wrote

Most animals would not understand that humans are the ones who throw paintballs.

Can wolves understand that?

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CatHammerz t1_iv0lovh wrote

You may be underestimating the intelligence of animals :P

If they wont learn about it, they will for sure connect seeing humans and pain.

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newbikesong t1_iv0miyp wrote

Dogs fail mirror test though.

There was actually a very similar topic of discussion.

https://www.quora.com/If-I-throw-something-to-hit-an-animal-what-animals-would-realize-that-I-am-the-attacker-not-the-thrown-thing

Dogs seem to fail it unless trained. Though I see no experimentation like mirror test.

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CatHammerz t1_iv0of75 wrote

If they don't understand the concept of it, dogs are still able to associate humans with security and food. And I guess shooting paintballs can be considered as teaching, although it sounds brutal.

We still know very little about how brains work, and determining how intelligent an animal is can be a bit difficult.

And keep in mind, these results can vary wildly in the same group. A common example is crows and ravens. I think studies have even concluded that they are actually semi conscious, although we dont know to which extent. Some unfortunate people have even found themselves harassed by groups of them for years after hurting one of them.

Dont fuck with them, I guess.

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Severe-Cookie693 t1_iv2czud wrote

What does the mirror test actually test?

I've made eye contact with my pets in the mirror, they didn't get freaked out that there where 2 of me.

Dogs also don't go by vision as much as smell.

The test is also based on ego, which is not the same thing as intelligence.

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newbikesong t1_iv2f1ft wrote

You put a paint or some other patch onto the animal's forehead and show them a mirror. If they realize themselves in the mirror, they will touch themselves in that spot.

Very few animals seem to notice themselves in mirrors. Great apes including humans, elephants, dolphins, some birds and very few fish.

Dogs never pass the test. We tend to humanize them but they are not really smart animals. They seem to have no capacity of conceptualization.

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Hetterter t1_iv0ki79 wrote

They can learn to associate humans with the pain yes

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evillman t1_iv0f47l wrote

Isn't disliking humans good for nature?

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AltruisticTrade720 t1_iuy1qbn wrote

You've been watching "The Grey" too much.

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standardtrickyness1 t1_iuyfg5y wrote

Animals are vengeful https://www.npr.org/2010/09/14/129551459/the-true-story-of-a-man-eating-tigers-vengeance

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AltruisticTrade720 t1_iuygjh5 wrote

Well that's about tiger's, don't think it applies to wolves....but what would I know living and hunting the northern fortest of Saskatchewan, Canada.

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mattstorm360 t1_iuyirf9 wrote

There is also that elephant. Not a wolf but yeah.

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Gyoza-shishou t1_iuzpiok wrote

Pretty sure wolves and tigers have about the same size brain? Shit domesticated cats have less object permanence than dogs iirc

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Snizl t1_iv0cxgh wrote

Usually pack animals are smarter than solitary ones, so id expect wolves to be smarter than tigers.

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trivial_vista t1_iv1hlyr wrote

Exactly dogs also are much smarter as cats, no idea where the "Cats are smarter as dogs!" come's from

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semnotimos t1_ivbxwd4 wrote

Dogs are smarter than cats, but this is probably a consequence of cats' success as solitary hunters- they never had to reason more than "sneak up and pounce." You'd be hard-pressed to find an animal better at killing than a cat of a given size range.

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trivial_vista t1_ivc2sco wrote

that is true, not in a good way as cat's here eat up pretty much anything that flies, would it only be rodents it's all good to me (they also grab them rest assure)

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Venemao73 t1_iv3yws7 wrote

You know probably a lot more about wolves than us Dutchies, since we’ve got them back pretty recently. There must be around 100 wild wolves in the Netherlands and they keep attacking our sheep and other cattle. FYI: The Netherlands is the size of Vancouver Island but we are with 18 million.

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Aderondak t1_iuz46ny wrote

Wolves do have a 100% chance to retaliate on hunt, so that makes sense. Just make sure there's some chunks in the way for partial cover.

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squashkbc t1_iuzzgh7 wrote

The point is to make them afraid of humans. These wolves are not really tame, they're unafraid of humans, which means that they are more likely to attack humans. This can be especially dangerous for children.

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