kamrelim t1_ix0a3pb wrote
Reply to comment by Obtuse_Symposium in FIFA chief Gianni Infantino hits out at Qatar criticism saying European countries should instead 'be apologising for the next 3,000 years' by Garchomp98
No. What I mean is the fact that the modern Western civilization is responsible for the horrible conditions present in the countries where modern slave labor comes from, and collectively, as society who benefited from horrible crimes that those societies were victim to, we do nothing to make up for hundreds of years of injustice and exploitation, we merely protest when someone tries to repeat our "get rich at others' expense" scheme.
Obtuse_Symposium t1_ix0f98j wrote
Oh for pete's sake.
I'm always quick to point out the role that western colonization has played upon many countries and its after effects. But if you think that it's the sole cause of the world's problems, or even of the problems in the countries that it has directly touched, then you need to read more history, western or otherwise.
More importantly, if you think that having a troubled history precludes everyone that currently lives in any of those countries from having a voice in the global community, as if it's some sort of deranged penance, then you're being ridiculous.
Like I said, we can denounce bad things while also admitting that our forebears did some fucked up stuff.
kamrelim t1_ix0v9gr wrote
As long as the West won't collectively, in a structured way, compensate for exploiting and destroying whole nations and societies, for hundreds of years of cruelty, for literally inspiring hitler to try to implement the Generalplan Ost by the effectiveness and scale of the American ethnic clensing and enslavement of tens of millions of people - it's nothing but pure hypocrisy.
Obtuse_Symposium t1_ix1n6cc wrote
Alright well, I've done a lot of volunteer work for vulnerable communities, and I'm personally in favor of something like reparations since I know that slavery and genocide have generational impacts, but I also don't control the government or what we get to vote on.
So why would I ever feel like I shouldn't be able to condemn Qatar for modern-day slavery?
Because "the West", which is a collection of countries that have historically been at odds with each other until the last 40-50 years, hasn't come together as one group to say that it's sorry? That's ridiculous.
kamrelim t1_ix3qltw wrote
By the same logic you should condemn and boycott every institution and event organised by UK, the US, Canada, Belgium, France, Germany or The Netherlands. All of those countries are built on blood of slaves, the existence of some of them in a prosperous form is only possible thanks to extermination of the whole populations and ethnicities. None of them, except Germany in the small part, have even tried to reimburse the harm they have done in the last few hundred years. But you can’t do that, that’s where you come from.
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