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menlindorn t1_j6myuid wrote

>Carmen Quiroga called her cafe ‘Woke’ to signal to customers ‘Wake up and have a coffee’.

Clickbait. If you care about this, no coffee for you. Seems like a great way to keep bigots out of your place.

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Mattie725 t1_j6nnhvq wrote

There is quite the spectrum between bigotry and what is considered as woke today though.

Today 'woke' is considered what happens when good and necessary ideas are taken too far, out of context and are merely an excuse to search for bad intentions in everything. Which was obviously not what the woke ideology was originally about.

Said all that, when a coffee bar calls itself 'Woke', I think you should find that clever regardless of your ideas.

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bilateralrope t1_j6o5f1c wrote

Please give us some examples of "when good and necessary ideas are taken too far". Being vague just makes us assume the worst of you.

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Mattie725 t1_j6oabtp wrote

From my job: really good that my large, international employer focuses on diversity and everyone feeling like they have no obstacles because of gender, sexuality, colour,... However, targeting 40% women in technical/engineering positions by 2025 when it's currently 30% and only 20% of graduates in engineering are women, is letting your perfectly fine ideas of equality run over the reality of the situation.

Also from my job: I've been denied an internal training because 'we are looking for a more diverse group'. Aka, we already have a few white men so we will now deny 70% of our workforce in light of 'diversity and equality'.

Oh or better! A big city in Belgium has publicly stated that if multiple applicants for a job have the same qualifications, they will chose the one from a minority group. Again, everyone deserves a job, but you can't justify obvious discrimination because it's not against a minority.

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icanith t1_j6os7w2 wrote

Wow so you are dragging out the ole anti affirmative action argument. Move along ppl nothing to see here.

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Mattie725 t1_j6ovm3l wrote

You mean the 'don't fight discrimination with more discrimination but just against other people' argument? I absolutely do.

I'm not denying there was and is discrimination. But that's no reason to openly discriminate against me because I am a white man.

*young man btw. It's not like I've built a career on discriminating others.

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ImminentZero t1_j6oz3tl wrote

> A big city in Belgium has publicly stated that if multiple applicants for a job have the same qualifications, they will chose the one from a minority group.

There needs to be some sort of tiebreaker in that case, what would you suggest? What's an equitable solution in that case?

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Mattie725 t1_j6p2hou wrote

As far as I know, they might spin a wheel. I don't know. But solving said problem by openly discriminating against people who don't happen to be a minority is as bad as the inverse.

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tomassci t1_j6ntn1y wrote

Sadly, you might be in the silent minority with that one.

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Mattie725 t1_j6nvk45 wrote

Haha I'm not denying that some like to use the negative connotation of 'woke' to make everything sound bad.

The extreme left will call everything bigotry and the extreme right will call everything woke. Because there can only be two options and once someone/something is labelled, further discussion isn't necessary...

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Zren8989 t1_j6nzi42 wrote

Yeah the original term woke was first used by people of color, long before the right decided to use it for propaganda purposes.

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