newestindustry t1_j6tu5ca wrote on February 1, 2023 at 9:07 PM

Reply to comment by NetQuarterLatte in New Yorkers witnessed more homelessness, encampments during Mayor Adams’ first year by Nscience

But it's a massive construction project, you are dishonestly saying that NYC pays $5k per bed for homeless shelters, which isn't true

NetQuarterLatte t1_j6tximi wrote on February 1, 2023 at 9:28 PM

For this Brooklyn one that's $5.9k per bed per month for the duration of the contract.

For the E 45th Shelter, where a woman was murdered by stabbing in December, the city was paying $3.2k per month per bed last year.

They renewed their contract for $4.9k per bed per month ($30,585,745.00 for 130 beds for 4 years: https://a856-cityrecord.nyc.gov/RequestDetail/20220729109). What's worse: the city actually owns that building! Project Renewal is just providing Shelter "services"...

Same company, with a $5.3k per bed per month 39-year long contract https://a856-cityrecord.nyc.gov/RequestDetail/20220127107

That's just one company out of many deserving more oversight: https://www.nyc.gov/site/dhs/shelter/providers/providers.page

newestindustry t1_j6u6upy wrote on February 1, 2023 at 10:27 PM

All of those shelters are also involved in major construction projects, do those dollar figures include capital costs? Those links don't give anything but one number.

NetQuarterLatte t1_j6u7vaf wrote on February 1, 2023 at 10:34 PM

If only someone could review those contracts.

Capital costs or not, nothing here makes sense.

Why should the city pay for a NGO to buy the land and construct the building, and when the contract is over, they can just own it?

Besides, the E 45th building is already there, and it’s owned by the city.

newestindustry t1_j6ua4ol wrote on February 1, 2023 at 10:49 PM

You can't pretend the capital costs don't matter, these are new high rises in Midtown. We all agree there is a lot of bloat on all state/city contracts here, I agree that it sucks and benefits the wrong people. But these organizations reduce the suffering of the most vulnerable, hated people in our society. I recognize that most people here don't care about that.

NetQuarterLatte t1_j6v0bjj wrote on February 2, 2023 at 1:57 AM

All good and valid points.

But remember that only 1 out of 5 accepted going to a shelter.

With the same budget the city could be offering a lot better quality services and housing.

4 out of 5 whose suffering are not really being reduced.

Simply offering more of the same (or locking shitty solutions into decade-long contracts) ain’t going to really move the needle. It only keeps draining the city’s resources away from more effective solutions.