Submitted by psychothumbs t3_10w1ahl in nyc
orlyyarlylolwut t1_j7lrhzg wrote
Reply to comment by djn24 in MTA Could Nix Fare Hikes with Just $350M More Per Year, Lieber Says by psychothumbs
"A lot of funding" does not equal what NYC generates or is owed given its role as the state's primate city. Refusing to properly fund the MTA is a joke.
djn24 t1_j7lua9w wrote
I don't know the breakdown in how state and city taxes fund the MTA, but if the city tax is already covering the MTA, then how much more should the state realistically contribute to the MTA while other parts of the state have transportation issues that also need attention and less local taxes to contribute?
orlyyarlylolwut t1_j7lwg3s wrote
Schrodinger's economy. Where the other population centers of NY State are experiencing a Renaissance while unable to afford funding more transport in the state.
djn24 t1_j7m0kyo wrote
So is your point of view that all NYS outside of NYC is a dump and most of the taxes they pay to the state should go into a transportation option they will never use?
orlyyarlylolwut t1_j7m1h3i wrote
I think the economic engine of the entire state should have the backbone of its transportation network funded properly and not used as political leverage by Albany. Especially since at least half of people in the entire state DO depend on New York City's economic success.
Also, most of NY State outside if NYC is in fact quite poor and economically distressed. That's due to globalization and lack of innovation though.
djn24 t1_j7m4he7 wrote
>Also, most of NY State outside if NYC is in fact quite poor and economically distressed. That's do to globalization and lack of innovation though.
This is an oversimplified way of describing the reality for about 11.4 million people.
Considering that all of those people live in the great economic and innovation wasteland that you think it is, maybe Hochul's plan to have NYC businesses pay more into funding the MTA is a good idea?
Afterall, most of NY doesn't have an economy or any business to contribute to this tax.
orlyyarlylolwut t1_j7m4wos wrote
It's called economics, buddy. The numbers don't lie. The rust belt is real, and it was a deliberate choice by politicians to hollow out the country.
If the state also agreed to hand over control of the MTA back to NYC, sure. Otherwise it's just a blatant ploy for cheap political points.
djn24 t1_j7m6d9n wrote
Thank you. You've taught me more about economics in this thread than I learned as econ major. Probably because I studied in one of those desecrated upstate schools 😔
I agree with having the MTA (or at least the part that functions in NYC) be under control of the city. Then the city could fund it through their own taxes, and the people living in places like Buffalo and Syracuse, who never use the MTA wouldn't have to pay for it.
They could then reinvest those funds locally to innovate 😍
orlyyarlylolwut t1_j7m9r4a wrote
Upstate universities being good are a legacy from a different era. Same reason the Erie Canal is still there. Dude I'm not trashing upstate, but pretending it isn't poor and seen much better days is dishonest, especially when this all started because you insisted those areas are experiencing an "economic renaissance."
Also, I studied at NYU. So cut the crap with slinging around your degree like it makes your bad opinion more valid, it's immature. You should also know better.
djn24 t1_j7ma3a6 wrote
>Dude I'm not trashing upstate
You literally called it not economically viable to live outside of NYC in New York. That's why I responded to you. I can't stand the "us vs them" attitude that some people have in regards to NYS / NYC. The entire state benefits from a healthy NYC, and NYC benefits from a healthy state.
>Also, I studied at NYU. So cut the crap with slinging
>Upstate universities being good are a legacy from a different era.
Lol 🤡
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