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chipperclocker t1_j979lfa wrote

Terminals at JFK each have their own management (eg, T4 is run by Schiphol Group, aka the people who run Amsterdam Schiphol airport). Who runs Terminal 1? Is this something that was within their control, or was this a Port Authority problem?

I see in the article "...the private terminal operator will have additional customer service staff in place to assist passengers,” the Port Authority said in a statement."... but who is that? Google isn't turning up much.

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b1argg t1_j979zrl wrote

It's a group of foreign airlines that run it.

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robmak3 t1_j976y7s wrote

> Dozens of flights were canceled and some were diverted to other airports. An Air New Zealand flight was forced to return to Auckland after flying two-thirds of the way across the Pacific Ocean, resulting in a 16-hour trip that ended where it began.

It's a horrible situation for the airline that was handled even worse. Lesson learned: never fly Air New Zealand.

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ibstiglet14 t1_j97bg9v wrote

I know someone who got screwed both ways. They went to Auckland on the outbound several weeks ago that had to divert to Hawaii because of the Auckland airport flood. Their return flight was the now infamous 16hr flight to nowhere 😂

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AmadeusZull t1_j97ibop wrote

I thought you were posting in the wrong subreddit by your first sentence. Continue…

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silverholt t1_j97bbcu wrote

Why would you put the blame on Air New Zealand?

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chipperclocker t1_j97hhkc wrote

Feels weird that they didn’t have a diversion option on this side of the Pacific - no gates of their own anywhere else in the US, or even partnerships with another airline / airline services company?

I’m always a little wary about flying airlines that don’t have a decent-sized base of operations in my origin or destination countries for situations like this. With weather, mechanical issues, terminal issues, labor issues, whatever… some better options than “turn around and go home” are good

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RyuNoKami t1_j97q7j8 wrote

It really is batshit they didn't have a closer option to land and transfer their passengers. Nope let's all turn around and go back. Sure if it's like a 2hr flight but that isn't a 2hr flight.

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maverick4002 t1_j989r41 wrote

Landing at LAX or Houston would have it's own issues:

  1. you need to find a gate or bussing to terminal or something which is just extra stress

  2. you need to get these people onto new flights. Where are they finding those flights?

  3. need to find new accommodation for their crew

  4. the plane would usually turn around with a new crew at JFK and fly back. Now they original crew is stuck in LAX and they need their rest so the plane is delayed for even longer and could impact other flights in the system

Airlines don't really own gates. And yes, they had good operations at the origin so they went back there.

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jonsconspiracy t1_j9a7iuo wrote

All of that seems doable in this unique situation. It's one flight on one day. I'm certain they could have figured all of that out. Flying to IAH and handing over passengers to their Star Alliance partner United would have been very possible. Crew flies back on the next flight as passengers. None of this is ideal, but it prioritizes their hundreds of passengers on board instead of a few crew that would be inconvenienced.

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maverick4002 t1_j9a89wb wrote

They made the decision. It could be done but you have no idea of availability on United. It's a process to get all those people rerouted.

Plane going back the next day causes a ripple effect on the schedule as well. Because normally it would go to Newark and fly back within a few short hours with ANOTHER crew. Now you need this same crew to get its mandatory rest period, you need to scramble to get them accommodations and then you fly the plane back empty later than scheduled.

Almost all of the flights in the air turned around and went back where they came from btw. Only a few continued on and those were probably already past the point of being able to return

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robmak3 t1_j9crw6c wrote

Even though those might be difficulties it doesn't mean you should fuck over customers instead of overcoming them.

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maverick4002 t1_j9cvzqq wrote

Aye, fuck over one plane or fuck over multiple other flights? Make your choice.

And as I said in another comment, the vast majority of flights headed to that terminal turned right back around as well

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D14DFF0B t1_j97ztcs wrote

They fly to LAX and IAH. I'm sure they went back to AKL for a reason, but I don't see why they couldn't divert to one of those.

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atyppo t1_j996825 wrote

Probably recovery. Easier for them to fly again when stuff is available then managing being down with crew in the wrong location for that long. Crew can't work again for 48 hours I believe on TPAC/TATL flights. For a small airline like ANZ that could be devastating as I doubt they have many reserve crews especially crews certed to fly a 787...

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jonsconspiracy t1_j9a7lc0 wrote

>Crew can't work again for 48 hours I believe

They can't work, but they can be put on a return flight from IAH or LAX as passengers.

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