IsayNigel t1_j9lpqn1 wrote
Reply to comment by YouandWhoseArmy in Parents fume over Governor Hochul’s charter school expansion proposal | amNewYork by barweis
So then why take funds away from public schools to divert to charters?
YouandWhoseArmy t1_j9m6u81 wrote
My impression is that public schools have their hands tied with bad kids for whatever reason.
Charters get rid of them. Rightly so.
As far as I can tell they’re the same shit otherwise and charters are making public schools worse and worse. Self fulfilling prophecy.
supermechace t1_ja43rc9 wrote
Not OP but I think charter schools in NYC are a makeshift bandaid and political bandaid to address the inability to meet the needs and wants by parents of schools due to bureaucracy, infighting withing government, competing politics and educational goals, and power of teacher unions. Basically similar to outsourcing govt services to outside companies (which has advantages of not being tied up in bureaucracy and plausible deniability if contractor messes up) but in this case the government maintains control of a competing service(public school vs outsourced charter school). The existence of charter schools is due to government and political dysfunction (which seems to be worsening in NYC) so unless those disappear charter schools aren't likely either. Also keep in mind there's a lot of tax payer money out there so everyone wants it to be used the way they want it to be used.
KaiDaiz t1_j9lrk4w wrote
charters are public schools as well. they both share the same pool of students and funds. if regular public school student enrollment numbers are decreasing while demand for charter are increasing and its enrollment # increasing...only makes sense to give them more of the public school money. fact is, public school are hemorrhaging students due to continued failed policies which creates the need for charters
IsayNigel t1_j9lw22d wrote
They are not public schools in even remotely the same way real public schools are. You actually show up in these threads a lot which makes it seem like you have an agenda to be sure.
KaiDaiz t1_j9lwm4u wrote
They are even by NYS definitions and they definitely share from same pool of resources. no one disputes that. I'm a product of nyc public school all my life and here schooling folks like you how far the system has fallen which led to rise of charters
IsayNigel t1_j9lyqjq wrote
I know, you go through this song and dance every time. No they aren’t. And I literally could not care less, that doesn’t make you an expert on educational policy. Millions of kids go through the DOE every year.
KaiDaiz t1_j9m1bk9 wrote
I suggest you look at the facts. Start with definition of charter school. They public. Start at looking where their funding comes from. Same pool as traditional public. Look at enrollment numbers over past decade. Which is increasing and which ain't. Even Asians are noticing charters and flocking to them over screened schools due to NYC DOE fuckery
Now go into my history. I have always advocate for reform for public schools to return to its once glory. As of right now, NYC DOE on its continued warpath to ruin the entire system and more and more students will flock to charter at this rate. This not my prediction, just look at the enrollment data and public polling regarding charters.
In addition, I am a volunteer tutor. I tutored plenty of kids over the years and def noticed the quality of students education, their abilities dropping and what counts as passing ever lowered.
Even right now, you and others can't seem to understand what the NYC DOE is doing to public schools is creating the need and increased demands for charters. Its basically writing ads for them
IsayNigel t1_j9n5clg wrote
Really, if they’re so public, why don’t they follow the same rules as DOE schools?
ctindel t1_j9m3wf9 wrote
> I have always advocate for reform for public schools to return to its once glory.
What were the glory days of NYC public schools and what about them was glorious?
KaiDaiz t1_j9m4gea wrote
When we actually taught students, had standards and tracked as many promising students as possible of all background. The passing grade for math regents these days is < 1/3 questions correct. What kind of fuked up math is that.
ctindel t1_j9m518e wrote
I thought they had to get a 65 out of 100?
KaiDaiz t1_j9m5uoh wrote
65 doesn't mean 65% of questions correct or raw scores
How bad the problem is now
Heres the 2015 grading chart and each yr the raw score been getting lower to get passing grade
https://www.nysedregents.org/algebraone/615/algone62015-cc.pdf
ctindel t1_j9mapy8 wrote
Oh yeah I remember reading this when it was posted. Haha thanks for the sad reminder of the current state of NY education. I don’t know that there was ever really a golden era of NYC schools where they were generally as good (and producing as good results) as the suburbs though.
People in my parents and grandparents generation just dropped out a lot more instead.
IsayNigel t1_j9lytee wrote
What does “folks like me” even mean?
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