sumgye t1_jbqodk2 wrote on March 10, 2023 at 11:34 PM

Reply to comment by eldersveld in Cost of 2nd Avenue Subway extension to East Harlem balloons to $7.7B by Grass8989

The subway situation is easily solvable. We just need to start putting the subway under streets again instead of miles underground. Yes we will need to dig up an avenue, but it will take less than a year of closures and it's not like there are a lack of streets for cars to use as alternatives.

djdjddhdhdh t1_jbqzvus wrote on March 11, 2023 at 1:02 AM

It’s not the closures as much as all the other shit that’s underground

woodcider t1_jbr83u0 wrote on March 11, 2023 at 2:09 AM

And there are probably more underground utilities than there were in “cut and cover” days. There’d be no cost savings with the addition of massive road closures that are also a financial drain.

gobeklitepewasamall t1_jbrru4h wrote on March 11, 2023 at 5:04 AM

The issue is all the unknown unknowns under ground. Nyc is a maze of underground infrastructure, much of it ancient, orphaned tunnels and wire and pipe, and whose builders aren’t even around anymore. There isn’t even a unified map, they’re just starting to collate and digitize what fragments they have, but, this being ny, it’s a slow, tedious process full of red tape, inter factional dick measuring, government incompetence and refusal to talk to anyone in another office of the same department, let alone outside agencies or industry.

I’ve been saying for years that we need a single, central, searchable database for everything under our feet here. Something we can collate into a 3d cad map.