SuckMyBike t1_jdz3ned wrote
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Crime rates in all other countries dropped just like it did in the US. But they didn't use a "tough on crime" approach to achieve it.
The more likely explanation for why both the US and other countries saw declining crime rates is the banning of lead gasoline and improvements in economic prosperity.
To criminologists, it is also no surprise that crime has been up since the pandemic. Crime rates also saw an uptick during the 2008 financial crisis.
Bad economic times = more crime. Other countries are experiencing a similar uptick in crime without any "bail reform". Surely the recent uptick in crime in Finland isn't caused by NY bail reform, is it?
TheAJx t1_je0de7g wrote
I only call it "tough on crime" because that's the terminology you guys use and you guys continue to insist that it was some sort of failure. I think better policing over the last 30-40 years has been pretty effective.
>Crime rates also saw an uptick during the 2008 financial crisis.
The uptick in crime was nowhere near as bad as it was in the last few years. And it quickly waned, leading to continued lower crime rates.
>banning of lead gasoline and improvements in economic prosperity.
Was there a bunch of lead that entered the system in 2020?
Due to CARES ACT, PPP and stimulus checks, poverty rates and household debt decreased. Incomes actually rose (an unemployed person was earning a minimum of $600 / weekly).
>Bad economic times = more crime. Other countries are experiencing a similar uptick in crime without any "bail reform". Surely the recent uptick in crime in Finland isn't caused by NY bail reform, is it?
Did other countries see 20-30% increases in homicides like the US did? Maybe Finland did . . its hard to extrapolate based of one country with a population about the size of Brooklyn and Queens. TO my knowledge, no large countries experienced the surge in crime to the levels the US did.
SuckMyBike t1_je0l4ns wrote
>I think better policing over the last 30-40 years has been pretty effective. .
10x more people in prison per Capita than Germany and yet way higher crime rates?
You call that a success? Man, your parents must've put the bar for your achievements insanely low
TheAJx t1_je0o0ce wrote
>10x more people in prison per Capita than Germany and yet way higher crime rates?
We have far more guns on the streets than Europe.
>You call that a success? Man, your parents must've put the bar for your achievements insanely low
Like I said, violent crime in NYC fell by 80%. I'm happy for that. Maybe you're mad because more criminals went to jail.
SuckMyBike t1_je0otwe wrote
I'm mad because sad people like yourself are preventing the US from reforming the prison system to be in line with other developed countries.
.instead, you want to keep a prison system that dictators use.
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