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SuckMyBike t1_jdz3tho wrote

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>How do we address the issue of elevated levels of crime in this city?

Let's do that!

Criminologists have been in near uniform agreement for a while now: the biggest cause of crime is poverty.

So if you have any proposals on how to reduce poverty, I'd love to hear them

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TheAJx t1_je08m0y wrote

How about this, can we address the proximate issues of crime, getting multiple time offenders off the streets, stopping shoplifters etc while we take on the huge task of reordering society to reduce poverty?

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SuckMyBike t1_je0iht4 wrote

It sounds like you only want to do the first and not the second.

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TheAJx t1_je0k68k wrote

I would like to do both, mainly because they are both important goals independent of each other.

I'm not particularly convinced about the povert -> crime argument in this case, given that poverty rates went down during COVID thanks to massive government cash infusions.

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SuckMyBike t1_je0kwe5 wrote

How on earth can someone in 2023 still question the direct correlation between poverty and crime?!
What the fuck .. this is basic knowledge amongst criminologists. Have you never spoken to one?

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TheAJx t1_je0oeiu wrote

Bangladesh and Ghana are pretty poor, but not particularly violent either.

Poverty went Down during COVID yet crime skyrocketed. Poverty went up significantly in 2008 but crime did not spike at nearly the same levels (and went down within a year or two).

> Have you never spoken to one?

You guys are all the same, thinking that sociology professors have all the answers to society's problems. Crimnologists have also found that hiring more police on the streets leads to less crime. Are you in favor of that?

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SuckMyBike t1_je0oom1 wrote

>Crimnologists have also found that hiring more police on the streets leads to less crime.

Actually, criminologists concistently find that repression is a very weak correlator with reducing crime rates.

But what do you care. You just invent your own facts based on your gut feeling and then think you know everything. Fuck off

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