mowotlarx t1_jdqkzva wrote
Reply to comment by MandatoryDissent55 in New York will demolish and elevate a waterfront park to fight floods, angering some neighbors by Mosanso
It could not have just been resolved with a concrete wall along the water. Unless you and the other Manhattan NIMBYs would be happy with a 10 foot concrete barrier blocking the water view you feel so entitled to. I suspect you wouldn't be happy with that.
The funniest thing to me about the NIMBY response to the East Side Coastal Resiliency is this idea that we need to give a shit about trees that will be replanted. The trees will be DESTROYED by storm surge without the flood wall. These aren't "historical" trees in these parks. Wagner is only 30 years old. Almost all of the waterfront in lower Manhattan is man made, not natural habitat. We are 30 years past the stage of environmentalism where trees can save us. Climate change is already here.
MandatoryDissent55 t1_jdqt76x wrote
It's still being resolved with a concrete wall and mounds that block the view of the river... And most of the park space will still be exposed to storm surges.
They didn't need to kill all of those plants and animals. This entire project is just a way to launder tax dollars to elites through construction companies.
mowotlarx t1_jdqzw9q wrote
No, it's not being fixed by just a wall. The entire park is being raised. The entire project is for future generations to enjoy Lower Manhattan, but unfortunately entitled adults are far more concerned with a minor inconvenience for the next 5 years than actually dealing with climate change. And spare us the phony sob story about dead plants and animals. What do you think happens to them when the next big storm or flood comes?! To fight this hard to preserve something already doomed just for the short term convenience of old people is astounding.
MandatoryDissent55 t1_jdr3glm wrote
>The entire park is being raised
No. You are wrong.
Asser Levy, Stuyvesant Cove, The Promenade, and much of the East River Park and South Street waterfront are going to remain at street level with a flood wall. They've already begun placing the street-level flood wall in some places. According to the very sparse and apparently unofficial renderings of the project, there will only be a few areas that are actually "elevated" in some sections.
mowotlarx t1_jdr73ex wrote
>"As part of a major $221 million climate resilience plan, the Battery Park City Authority will tear down Wagner Park, reconstruct it with new flood-prevention features and raise it by 10 feet."
No. You are wrong.
Sufficient-Aspect77 t1_jds20b0 wrote
My Haiku
No YOU are wrong, here!!
Water SHOULD destroy us all.
Oh wait, you were right.
MandatoryDissent55 t1_jdrh5ea wrote
>$221,000,000
Wagner park is hardly larger than a soccer field.
They won't elevate the Jewish Museum, so the north part will just be a wall. They can't elevate the boathouse, so the south part will just be a wall...
Snap out of this trance where you just repeat media. You're not making any sense.
mowotlarx t1_jdsrjtp wrote
You are suggesting a park is being demolished and rebuilt with a flood wall not because climate change is real but because it's a grand conspiracy of government officials making up fake projects to give money to construction companies.
But, sure, I am in a trance.
MandatoryDissent55 t1_jdssgww wrote
You are suggesting that $221M is being spent legitimately to raise a 200' by 600' park...
...The entire park, you claim is being raised without leaving street level areas with walls, even though that park contains two very large landmarks which border the waterfront and cannot be raised.
mowotlarx t1_jdsvx3z wrote
So how much do you think it costs to demolish and rebuild a coastal park in Manhattan? I'd love to hear how you've scoped this out.
MandatoryDissent55 t1_jdt12qg wrote
They're demolishing a sunbathing platform and a few hundred feet of footpaths, then packing down landfill and walling off sections while laying new footpaths and some sod and saplings.
$20,000,000 would be overly expensive. Anything above that is going to corruption.
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