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TatankaForever t1_jdhv0oa wrote

Man this is a complicated situation that I don’t definitely don’t completely understand. I’m happy those families are getting the help they need. And I hope they become thriving NYC residents with homes of there own. I think the city could use the labor force. And if it helps prop up the hotels I guess that’s good too. Hopefully they become full residents and add tax dollars. This is going to be a turbulent time in NYC for sure. Between the migrants, lack of office workers commuting everyday and the myriad other changes to NYC, I hope we can all get through this turbulent time out the other side. It may take years, but I think with the right people leading the way we can all get through it! Hopefully we can start converting office buildings to apartments soon. I’m optimistic, but then again I’m in a position that I can leave the city if I need to.

And honestly I haven’t even notice the migrnats around the city but maybe I’m blund

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stork38 t1_jdidood wrote

Drive around Times Square. They're everywhere along 8th Avenue.

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TatankaForever t1_jdir9bs wrote

That makes sense, I’m never in TS. I wonder how that hurts Tourism as it’s a Tourist hub.

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JOE96924 t1_jdjawsa wrote

How do we know they even needed help? I'm asking an honest question. Since we're no longer using the usual methods of bringing in immigrants and we're just taking anyone who walks in, who's to say they weren't doing just fine and they heard about the free ride and are taking it?

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TatankaForever t1_jdje5c6 wrote

I have no idea, that’s a good question. But based the timeline of events stated In The article: when they left there home country, when they arrived in Texas, and when they were bussed to Ny, and when Ny set up the camps and Hotel system. They hotels were not set up, so as it pertains to this amenity they would have no knowledge of it.

Though in my opinion, I think people come to the US from central/South American countries in general for a better life then what they had. I have no idea what kind of information they acquire back in there home nations as to how life in the US in for an illegal migrant. But whatever it is, it makes them believe it is better then what they have.

And despite the services they are provided I do not envy there position compared to my own. They may have free housing in hotels for now, and they may have free food and water it seems, I still do not envy them.

And while I can agree with what I am inferring is a general sentiment of disdain for illegal migrants getting free amenities while natural born Americans are often times left to struggle. I think a less then satisfactory answer is 2 fold.

One. Our anger should be pointed at politicians and those in power who refuse to address the many issues at the border and within the system at large for years if not decades which ignores the many issues of the citizenry and will provide which seems like greater assistance to migrants.

And 2 I think this is a panic/emergency solution to a problem that could be far worse if 50,000 desperate, poor and hungry people were left to roam the NYC streets. Sometimes keeping the peace comes at a cost, that may seem unfair. And if it does seem unfair, I point to my answer in part one.

I hope you find this response satisfactory. As it took some time to construct a response.

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JOE96924 t1_jdjeq7g wrote

Very well said :)

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TatankaForever t1_jdjf711 wrote

Thank you. I hope you don’t mind, I wanted to make sure I was taking the time to respond to a person and not a bot, so I looked at your profile and I wanted to wish you luck with your son on your next Metal Detecting Adventure!

Take care!

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JOE96924 t1_jdjfx8p wrote

I work in highrise construction and little by little non-union is taking over. It has unfortunately been on the fast track the past few years largely due to the unlimited, cheap workforce that the non-union companies have now. They pay these people very little and they don't het benefits but they don't know what the real cost of living is here yet and we're losing all of the rights and legitimate pay that the union members fought for all of these years. Many friends have lost their homes and I was even out of work for 6 months last year after working every day through covid. I just think that it's wrong to give away freely what others have made as their career and take advantage of the situation. When you get free room and board, the money they make may seem like a lot. I know when I was out of work, I still had to pay rent, etc. I kissed the unemployment gravy train, I got laid off the month after the bonus money stopped when the rest of the people went back to work. Yeah I'm bitter, I don't like it. I think we should also care about what happens to our own life long residents but that's not what happens.

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TatankaForever t1_jdjguqh wrote

I had no idea the struggles of the Union members of the construction industry were facing, thank your for taking the time to educate me on this.

I think this is a legitimate concern and one we all should strive to fix. It unfortunate that this new cheap labor influx is destroying the rights those in the labor force, like yourself, fought so hard for. I offer my condolences for your struggles and thank you for working to make the city better through your work on the infrastructure here in the city. I hope one day we can find a solution to these problems, and I’ll keep this information in mind when I next talk to people about the subject matter and hope to educate them as well. It is unfortunately the best I can do to assist, is spreading information the best I can when appropriate.

As an insider to the industry do you have any solutions to fix the issues facing the industry of union construction labor?

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JOE96924 t1_jdjhmkq wrote

I'm just a worker, I wish I could solve the problems but our politicians aren't helping and we're largely overlooked. Thanks for responding in such a civil manner. I really enjoyed our chat and your outlook. Have a nice weekend:)

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TatankaForever t1_jdjhtmr wrote

I enjoyed it as well. Thank you and have a nice weekend as well!

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