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ThreeLittlePuigs t1_itv8zwt wrote

And this is exactly what this sub and many folks fail to understand / ignore about the homelessness crisis in New York. The folks that make up the street homeless causing crime or with untreated mental illness are the vast minority of homeless individuals. Yet folks often present them as the norm.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_itvm581 wrote

>The folks that make up the street homeless causing crime or with untreated mental illness are the vast minority of homeless individuals.

That's part of why it doesn't make sense.

If it's such a small fraction of homeless who are mentally ill, severe drug abusers and/or violent causing so much grievance, why is there so much resistance to address it in more targeted and effective ways?

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ThreeLittlePuigs t1_itvm8h8 wrote

Because the city / state don’t like tackling difficult problems and lack the ability to lead or think critically

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Evening_Presence_927 t1_itxf45c wrote

No, it’s because the mayor is a pig who thinks such targeted policies are “socialism”

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ThreeLittlePuigs t1_itxfrp3 wrote

It’s actually cheaper to address the problem this way though so even as a capitalist he’s failing

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Evening_Presence_927 t1_itxgkvj wrote

You’d think right.

We asked for this when we collectively went “muh crime” and voted in an ex-cop with delusions of grandeur.

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elizabeth-cooper t1_itvngav wrote

You can't effectively help people who don't want to be helped.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_itw0kcd wrote

Some people need to be helped.

But what is unsaid is that the individual is often not the only person who needs that help to happen. The public also needs it.

If it’s only for the individual’s benefit, maybe there’s a liberty/freedom argument here that they should be allowed to refuse help.

But in many of those cases, the need is also in the public interest.

And the balance of one individuals rights and the public’s rights need to enter into consideration.

In many of the cases we often hear about, I don’t think they should be allowed to refuse help.

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09-24-11 t1_itxfjwy wrote

There are mental hygiene laws in place against involuntary hospitalizations for a reason. It is a very slippery slope to have untrained mental health professionals (police) having the power to involuntarily bring someone to inpatient mental health facilities. The hospitals also don’t have the beds to house everyone, so a lot are discharged from triage right back to the streets.

It’s not a question of whether or not someone wants the accept the help. We already have laws and procedures in place for those people. Enforcing, processing and placing those people, is the challenge. Police need more credits in clinical mental health, we need more hospitals beds, DAs and public defenders who will work to process these cases, and safe, sanitary, and audited long term housing for these people.

TLDR: We need more money going to the right places.

  • Mental health worker for over 10 years.
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Menacing_Quokka t1_itvad1o wrote

But how can I make myself feel morally superior without demonizing the homeless?

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iamiamwhoami t1_itwjdqp wrote

And it’s why the tough on crime folks will do nothing to solve the problem. If elected the only thing that will change are the headlines of the NYPost. This is fundamentally a housing problem.

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