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Any_Foundation_9034 t1_iutu7oi wrote

Ok. what powers the charging stations ?

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fadsag t1_iuuh2vo wrote

In the dirtiest case -- a combined-cycle power plant. Those gets between 50% and 60% of the available chemical energy in the fuel, which gets reasonably close to the peak theoretical efficiency of the Carnot cycle.

The average internal combustion engine gets less than half that. High efficiency diesel gets close, but still falls short.

So, in the best case for gas vehicles, on the highway, an electric vehicle uses fossil fuels somewhere about twice as efficiently as a gas car. On top of that, an electric vehicle recharges its batteries when it brakes, and spends no energy when idling, which is important for city traffic, and (for buses) when stopping frequently at stops.

Counting the full life cycle of an electric vehicle, including recycling the batteries, they're between 30% and 50% more efficient.

On top of that, a power plant has room for larger and more effective air scrubbers, and ejects whatever pollution those miss relatively far away from major population centers, improving air quality.

And, now that it's becoming cheaper to build new solar plants than to keep existing coal plants running, electric vehicles get cleaner with no additional work over time, while gas keeps spewing fumes near the places that people live.

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Any_Foundation_9034 t1_iuuhzcv wrote

Interesting. I don’t know how long it will take to perfect these new vehicles but the gas engine has been around for over 100 years.

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fadsag t1_iuuigv7 wrote

Power plants have been around even longer, and the fact that they don't have to be built to be mobile, lightweight, and cheap enough for an individual to buy means that all the effort went into improving efficiency and cost per watt. If you don't need to worry about the weigh of hauling around water, you can use your gas turbine's waste heat to run a steam turbine. And you can run at much higher temperatures than if you were running in a car, since you're now water cooled, and investing more into a single turbine.

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Any_Foundation_9034 t1_iutvceo wrote

Not trying to be a wise ass but look: “Charging stations are powered by whatever the power grid runs on, which might include oil, coal, and natural gas. If you want to ensure that your car is powered by renewable energy, you'll need to seek out charging stations that are powered by wind or solar.”

So I don’t see how this is any better or doing what they keep saying it is intended to do.

Not to mention the energy that is used to mine the lithium and other things that these battery operated cars require.

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