Submitted by AvatarNab_Echo t3_yqyng2 in nyc
princessnegrita t1_ivrdjhf wrote
Reply to comment by sysyphusishappy in Unoffical Map of 2022 Gubernatorial Election in NYC by AvatarNab_Echo
Okay seriously why would you link to an income map from 2007 in good faith?
Here’s a map with more recent data that’s broken down in a more visually easy to read way (at least for the purpose of verifying what you’re trying to say).
So it says right there that the median household income in the city was $69k in 2019 and on the map I linked, that income falls under the second lowest income band which is the second darkest blue.
It shows that the poorest areas in the city voted for both parties and it can better be broken down by demographic. Looking at Brooklyn, ENY, most of Crown Heights and Flatbush are deep blue on the electoral map and also some of the poorest areas in the city. Similarly, Williamsburg, that lil dot in Crown Heights and Borough Park are deep red on the electoral map and also some of the poorest areas in the city.
Meanwhile, that deep red at the bottom of SI is also one of the wealthiest parts of the city (admittedly the least wealthy of the wealthy people but still much higher than the median). The tip of Rockaway is also right behind SI in terms of wealth. Bergen Beach and Howard Beach are also markedly wealthier than the areas they’re directly next to and have incomes higher than median.
The only thing that the deep red nyc areas have in common across them is how markedly white they are.
Ranking the top 10 nyc neighborhoods by white population, those deep red areas are #2, 4, 5, 7 and 8.
For the record, the #1, 3, 6, 9 and 10 whitest neighborhoods (which are all blue on the election map) have much bigger populations of people of color than the whitest neighborhoods who voted red.
Tyrtle-Bikeoff t1_ivv2z38 wrote
"Justice Map" is a great tool to use for looking at neighborhood demographics, with data from the 2020 census (showing population percentages for major racial groups, median household income, and income change at the county/borough, tract, block group, and block levels)
princessnegrita t1_ivvgrvx wrote
Oooooh I’ve been looking for something like this for a while! Thanks so much for sharing!
Tyrtle-Bikeoff t1_ivvt7iw wrote
you're welcome 🤓
sysyphusishappy t1_ivrg4p8 wrote
> Okay seriously why would you link to an income map from 2007 in good faith?
Because I have a life and googled the map and didn't look very closely at it. The ackshually "good faith" thing just makes you sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist BTW.
> Meanwhile, that deep red at the bottom of SI is also one of the wealthiest parts of the city (admittedly the least wealthy of the wealthy people but still much higher than the median).
"one of the wealthiest parts of the city" with a median household income of $85k. Okay.
> The only thing that the deep red nyc areas have in common across them is how markedly white they are.
Oh okay. Unlike the very diverse upper east and west side and williamsburg.
> Ranking the top 10 nyc neighborhoods by white population, those deep red areas are #2, 4, 5, 7 and 8.
> For the record, the #1, 3, 6, 9 and 10 whitest neighborhoods (which are all blue on the election map) have much bigger populations of people of color than the whitest neighborhoods who voted red.
Are you going to start measuring skulls next to try and prove how un-white and diverse the upper east side and tribeca are?
princessnegrita t1_ivrghdw wrote
Damn that’s a lot of weird nonsense all to say you don’t care about facts.
Lead with that next time.
sysyphusishappy t1_ivri7l7 wrote
What "facts" did you present here exactly? I said the democratic party is becoming the party of the very rich and very poor and ignoring the middle class. To refute this you show me a map that shows the richest neighborhoods all voted blue, the poorest neighborhoods all voted blue, and never even bother to mention the middle class at all? Then you tried to tell me that a district in Staten Island where the median household income is $85k is "one of the richest" in the city?
These are some "facts" you have here.
> Some recent US figures on the distribution of income by party: 65 percent of taxpayer households that earn more than $500,000 per year are now in Democratic districts; 74 percent of the households in Republican districts earn less than $100,00 per year. Add to this what we knew already, namely that the 10 richest congressional districts in the country all have Democratic representatives in Congress.
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/democrats-rich-party-obama/
Highly amusing how the 1% convinced gullible useful idiots that it's skin color and not wealth that divides this country.
djphan2525 t1_ivsavol wrote
bro you used a map from 2007 and when presented with a present map you just.. doubled down?
time to call it a nite...
sysyphusishappy t1_ivsklyx wrote
Not sure how that is in any way relevant to the point I made. The democratic party is increasing the party of the very rich and the very poor. Maybe you can explain to me how pointing to one zip code in Staten island refutes this point?
Go read the facts I posted and get back to me.
princessnegrita t1_ivrk57s wrote
I said the richest and poorest neighborhoods voted for both parties.
I didn’t mention middle class because if you clicked the map, it would be immediately obvious that areas with people making median incomes largely voted blue. Also if you clicked the income map with recent income data, you would have to specifically ignore the large chunk of the reddest part of staten island with the $105k median income to focus in on the tiny part that makes $85k. Wonder why you’d do that?
This discussion is about nyc’s recent election and how it compares to income in the boroughs but now you’re linking a single article from 2021 that discusses the democratic national party.
Good job.
sysyphusishappy t1_ivrqmgv wrote
> I said the richest and poorest neighborhoods voted for both parties.
Yes you did but you failed to even come close to proving it.
> Some recent US figures on the distribution of income by party: 65 percent of taxpayer households that earn more than $500,000 per year are now in Democratic districts; 74 percent of the households in Republican districts earn less than $100,00 per year. Add to this what we knew already, namely that the 10 richest congressional districts in the country all have Democratic representatives in Congress.
> Also if you clicked the income map with recent income data, you would have to specifically ignore the large chunk of the reddest part of staten island with the $105k median income to focus in on the tiny part that makes $85k. Wonder why you’d do that?
Odd how you think making a point about skin color somehow refutes the actual data about income which is exactly what I was talking about and what the data shows. The richest and poorest vote overwhelmingly democratic.
Maybe you can explain to me how finding one zip code in staten island that voted red refutes this point?
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