NetQuarterLatte t1_iwgucsk wrote on November 15, 2022 at 3:25 PM

Reply to comment by elizabeth-cooper in Weekly Crime Thread - Week of November 15, 2022 by AutoModerator

>This is the comparison that matters, not a shithole town in Florida.

I agree with you.

But did you just miss the whole crime narrative prior to the election comparing NYC to random republican states?

I'm basically saying: NYC is not uniformly better than said shithole town in Florida. Maybe we should collectively get off the high-horse for a moment.

elizabeth-cooper t1_iwhfxqn wrote on November 15, 2022 at 5:47 PM

But it is better, that's the comparison. A black person has a higher chance of being murdered in Jacksonville than in NYC.

NetQuarterLatte t1_iwhwexu wrote on November 15, 2022 at 7:32 PM

>But it is better, that's the comparison. A black person has a higher chance of being murdered in Jacksonville than in NYC.

You can celebrate NYC, as many do, because you can believe that's good enough. Many people will buy that argument.

I just wish we can live in a world where "good enough" doesn't depend on the color of one's skin.

mission17 t1_iwhwqvg wrote on November 15, 2022 at 7:34 PM

Then maybe let’s support efforts that encourage racial equity in the justice system, like bail reform.

NetQuarterLatte t1_iwhyv4h wrote on November 15, 2022 at 7:48 PM

>Then maybe let’s support efforts that encourage racial equity in the justice system, like bail reform.

So why not continue the reform in the criminal justice system?

The courts are still slow, DAs are being overwhelmed and same with public defenders.

The "reformers" took power, did a half-ass job, and switched towards defending the status quo real quick.

It's almost as if some politicians actually benefit from perpetuating the issues, while posing as the "advocates".

mission17 t1_iwi0083 wrote on November 15, 2022 at 7:55 PM

> So why not continue the reform in the criminal justice system?

Did Progressives really give up on advocating for reforms, or do you just not like their proposals because they’re not right wing enough?

> and switched towards defending the status quo real quick

They’re actually spending a lot of time defending the policies they enacted from attacks from the right and the center, in case you haven’t noticed. You know all those New York Post articles about bail reform you’re in always in the comments for? How are supporters of progressive policies benefitting at all from these programs being rolled back? Please be for real right now.

> It's almost as if some politicians actually benefit from perpetuating the issues, while posing as the "advocates".

What issues? Who are the “advocates”? How are they benefitting? This vague progressive boogeyman shit is exhausting.

NetQuarterLatte t1_iwicgch wrote on November 15, 2022 at 9:14 PM

>Did Progressives really give up on advocating for reforms, or do you just not like their proposals because they’re not right wing enough?

The advocacy changed from advocating for reforms to defending the status quo.

Because progressives in power don't need to advocate anymore, when they can exercise the power to walk the talk instead.

>They’re actually spending a lot of time defending the policies they enacted from attacks from the right and the center, in case you haven’t noticed.

So the criticisms, valid or invalid, are to blame for the reforms being stopped?

>You know all those New York Post articles about bail reform you’re in always in the comments for? How are supporters of progressive policies benefitting at all from these programs being rolled back? Please be for real right now.

It's very simple.

Fear-mongering about "reforms being rolled back" is what's benefiting those politicians.

Note that I'm not saying anything about rolling anything back, but you're framing it that way here because such fear-mongering message is deeply entrenched in your mind at this point.

>What issues? Who are the “advocates”? How are they benefitting? This vague progressive boogeyman shit is exhausting.

Like opposing de-escalation training for the police... to benefit from headlines of police brutality?

Like reducing the police force in NYPD, causing a predictable increase in police violence (inversely correlated with under-staffing of police departments)... to benefit from headlines of more police brutality?

Like erasing gangs database... to benefit from more headlines about more violence in Riker's?

Like disseminating mistrust in the police, to cause more POC youth on becoming first-time offenders... to increase the number of people who have an encounter with the broken justice system?

You ask who? The list is large. AOC, Tiffany Cabán, Steward-Cousins, and many more.

mission17 t1_iwie3hs wrote on November 15, 2022 at 9:24 PM

You seem confused about what progressivism is. Once again, progressive doesn’t mean /u/NetQuarterLatte’s favorite policy.

None of the policies you listed at the bottom are progressive. Progressives are not advocating for increasing police funding or discouraging BLM protests. Those are pretty clearly right-wing policies.

I’m sorry that progressives are not enacting your favorite conservative policies. But you are not a progressive. Earlier today, you used Lee Zeldin as an example of a moderate Republican.

NetQuarterLatte t1_iwiew88 wrote on November 15, 2022 at 9:30 PM

I'm kind of disappointed that you're back at disingenuously mischaracterizing other people's comments to create straw arguments.

If you have strong ideas, you could be doing the opposite: make an iron man argument instead.

I'm not sure if you will ever understand the above.

>Earlier today, you used Lee Zeldin as an example of a moderate Republican.

I cited Zeldin as a republican who moved less than an inch towards the center (exact words I used).

But you are mischaracterizing that as a "moderate Republican" lol