NetQuarterLatte t1_iwij2db wrote on November 15, 2022 at 9:57 PM

Reply to comment by mission17 in Weekly Crime Thread - Week of November 15, 2022 by AutoModerator

>In your analogy, what you're doing is comparing the rate of accidents involving just children in New York to the rate of accidents involving both children and adults in Jacksonville. That simply makes no sense.

What separates children and adults is not the color on their skin.

There's obviously a historical disparity in victimizations based on the skin color. We all know of that.

Do you think such historical disparity is a good (ethical/moral) argument to continue using two separate measuring sticks?

I suggest you reflect on that for a minute.

mission17 t1_iwijbtk wrote on November 15, 2022 at 9:59 PM

> There's obviously a historical disparity in victimizations based on the skin color.

Yes, but there is absolutely no historical discrepancy I'm aware of when it comes to rollercoaster safety based on race. You're being ridiculous.

> Do you think such historical disparity is a good (ethical/moral) argument to continue using two separate measuring sticks?

...you're the one who broke the measuring sticks in the first place! You are the one who cherry-picked exclusively Black people in New York and compared them to a group including Black and non-Black people in Florida. Why weren't you using the same measuring stick in both instances?

NetQuarterLatte t1_iwinse2 wrote on November 15, 2022 at 10:29 PM

>...you're the one who broke the measuring sticks in the first place! You are the one who cherry-picked exclusively Black people in New York and compared them to a group including Black and non-Black people in Florida. Why weren't you using the same measuring stick in both instances?

I'll try one last time.

There are 4 numbers here:

Overall murder rate in NYC.
Overall murder rate in Jacksonville.
Murder rate of Blacks in NYC.
Murder rate of Blacks in Jacksonville.

I'm claiming that the fact that the "Overall murder rate in NYC" is lower than the "Overall murder rate in Jacksonville" should not be used to dismiss crime concerns.

I'm supporting that claim with the fact that there's at least one segment of the population in NYC that does not enjoy that standard, namely, "Murder rate of Blacks in NYC" is worse than "overall murder rate in Jacksonville".

You're claiming that "Murder rate of Blacks in NYC" should really be compared to "Murder rate of Blacks in Jacksonville" instead. Is it your conclusion that this comparison can be used to dismiss crime concerns?

mission17 t1_iwiqctm wrote on November 15, 2022 at 10:47 PM

Okay, /u/NetQuarterLatte. Now do the inverse for a holistic understanding here. What is the murder rate of Black people in Jacksonville relative to the overall murder rate in New York. You are going to find what we already know, that Black Americans have it worse off everywhere.

You’re making the arguments of progressives for them, that intense efforts should be made to reduce racial inequities. Now it’s time for you to do the heavy lifting and actually advocate for the policies that are demonstrated to do this.

NetQuarterLatte t1_iwiwdep wrote on November 15, 2022 at 11:30 PM

>Now it’s time for you to do the heavy lifting and actually advocate for the policies that are demonstrated to do this.

Alright, now that we established that there's a valid concern about crimes in NYC, I think that's where most people would inject some fear-mongering comment against "tough-on-crime". But thank you for not doing that.

What policies do you believe have been demonstrated to reduce crime victimization? Given that we are talking about the disparity of victimization here.

mission17 t1_iwixm5p wrote on November 15, 2022 at 11:39 PM

Glad you totally ignored the entire point of our conversation and pivoted upon realization that your stats didn’t say what you purported them to say at all.

> Alright, now that we established that there's a valid concern about crimes in NYC

I think now would be an appropriate time to apologize for lying about what your statistics said.

NetQuarterLatte t1_iwiyb22 wrote on November 15, 2022 at 11:44 PM

>Glad you totally ignored the entire point of our conversation and pivoted upon realization that your stats didn’t say what you purported them to say at all....
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>I think now would be an appropriate time to apologize for lying about what your statistics said.

Are you saying that "concerns about crimes shouldn't be dismissed" is a lie?

>Now it’s time for you to do the heavy lifting and actually advocate for the policies that are demonstrated to do this.

I'll ask again: what policies do you believe have been demonstrated to reduce crime victimization?