Everyone saying “hurray they’re going to commit people” is missing the point. Sure we need to forcibly hospitalize people, but we also need a place to put them. The city has made 0 indication they are going to open up new crisis stabilization or safe haven beds, and the states only adding 50. We don’t have enough psych beds as is, so what are we going to do with all these folks? The city and state need to get serious and add the infrastructure to back up their policy.

You know it's getting bad when all the top comments on the NYT article are in favor if this. But a few hyper progressive assholes will ruin it for all of us.

Nothing is ever enough for those idiots. You could plug a hole in a sinking migrant ship and still get flack over the pint of oil on deck that spilled.

A lot of comments in these threads say we don't have enough beds but in my head I'm thinking for the most part a small population of insane people create the majority of the problem. I don't have the numbers but I'm assuming it's something like maybe 350 of these mentally unstable individuals can cause 100% of the visible interactions and it's often the same few individuals so in reality a small number of beds would have a large affect on the actual problem.

Again this is just a thoughy and I don't have the hard numbers to back this up so anyone who is more knowledgeable please chime in.

Convert Rikers Island into a giant mental health facility

Toxic poisonous land is not a good place to send folks. It’s also a lawsuit waiting to happen.

>I don't have the numbers

This is a city of nearly 9 million people and you think only 350 homeless mentally ill people sounds right?

We have zero beds available even for that wildly small number. We don't have beds for housed mentally ill people. This will be a massive crisis in hospitals the day they begin to try to enforce false imprisonment in hospitals.

Unless it's razed to the ground first - hard pass.

And it’s not just bed capacity. Someone who works in this field commented on the first NYTimes article saying basically that the whims of the mayor won’t change established legal guidelines for committing people or the decades of court case rulings that got us to this point.

Adams can’t snap his fingers and make the state hold more people in facilities. There might be an increase in 72 hour holds but that’s about it.

I'm not saying that I'm saying a small number of mentally unwell people cause most of the visible problems that affect quality of life. There were 60000 homeless in NYC of that about 2k were street homeless and not housed in the shelter system. Even if we assume all 2k of the street homeless are dangerous insane and violent getting even 350 of the worst offenders off the street would drastically improve the quality of life for most new yorkers.

The number in Miami Dade was 2000. Gotta think our number is higher. And we don’t have the beds for regular psych incidents, let alone an influx of more

Forcible committing these people is horribly racist.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/30/nyregion/nyc-homeless-eric-adams.html

About 50k homeless in NYC with about 48k residing in a shelter. That gives us about 2k street homeless our numbers apparently aren't higher.

Math isn’t nearly that clean. There’s actually just over 60,000 folks in shelters and not everyone “in a shelter” is accounted for or not a potential psych case. I wouldn’t be surprised if the number were talking about is closer to 3-4k for the most problematic folks, but that’s still way more than we have the resources / beds to house. As I mentioned there aren’t enough beds as is for even normal psych cases

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Do you have any sources for the estimated street homeless population?

There’s different folks that do counts. Coalition for the homeless does one, as does Downtown Gooddard. Census does one as well

What a tired old argument. Allowing these people to continue to target Asians and other minorities is horribly racist

you forgot the "/s"

Lol, you figured it out. My original comment deserves to be downvoted to infinity. And yet that's what passes for compassionate wokeness these days on reddit.

There are also a number of people who are technically homeless but staying with people on a kind of transient and unstable basis. These are also among the parents of the over 100k homeless students in public school.

I get that but we're specifically talking about the homeless in the context of violent or aggressive mentally unstable homeless people. If you are couch surfing there are people taking care of you to some degree and you're less likely to be one of those guys on the subway or street people complain about.

My comment was essentially that you've undercounted the homeless on the whole. Takes nothing away from the discussion at hand.

I don’t think weakening due process protections for people is going to fix the problem of lack of beds. It’s already not that hard to civilly commit people the problem is that they get discharged before they’re ready to be discharged or just turned away at the ER — cops bringing more people in to get turned away is not going to change much.

People who are voluntarily committed already get discharged early, what is this going to do to help?

This is just performative hostility to a despised population

Forget the whole civil liberties bit and answer this: Please tell me how a system with no plan for long-term mental health care for the homeless is actually a good idea.

See, but that’d be sensible, not “swagger.”

Exactly. This will just turn into a revolving door of homeless people being committed into a hospital system and then being spit back out after being stabilized with no long-term care.

It’s all just an attempt on Adams’ part to save face after being caught at the wheel on the crime issue.

Who cares. We need action now. Figure it out later.

Action doesn’t matter if it doesn’t accomplish anything, though.

Getting these lunatics off the street accomplishes an awful lot.

But it doesn’t get them off the street. That’s my whole point.

Even worse, I suspect they won’t make jt into the hospital at all because there’s no space

What system? The city doesn't make mental health problems. With varying degree, everyone has some degree of mental health issues but the most troublesome are the drug addicted and homeless. You can't throw enough money at the problem for it to fix itself.

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But that’s the problem. The plan is the system I’m talking about. The hospital system doesn’t have the ability to provide long-term care for these individuals, so they’ll more likely than not end up back in the street.

They did that with former Blackwell’s island. It didn’t go well. Or the homeless facility on Randall’s island. But they had to pay bus fare in order to spend the night there.

Where do they intend to put people. What stops the corruption like every public service in nyc? Shelters build an image for this same purpose. What do we define as mentally ill. There's one lady in my hood thats schizo doesnt harm anyone. But I've seen her live 20 different lives over the past 30 years, high life art gallery, to homeless, to teacher id run into every so often and it was like hanging out with a different person each time.