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iRedditAlreadyyy t1_j1kqck2 wrote

If it’s raining or snowing I tip heavier. If it’s really cold or really hot I tip heavier. Basically if the elements are stopping me from going to get it myself, I’m going to give more to the person willing to do it for me. I feel like people have forgotten that other people exist behind these services.

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brownredgreen t1_j1m5ias wrote

Tipping is a shit system.

The employer needs to provide its workers with fair wages.

Do you tip your USPS workers? They deliver in the cold and rain and heat....

Oh, they get reasonable pay from their employer? Huh, so it CAN be done....

Repeat: tipping is a shit system

Edit: to be clear, i operate inside the shit system we have. Im not Mr.Pink from Reservoir Dogs. That said, we SHOULD change it.

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iRedditAlreadyyy t1_j1mevak wrote

I agree tipping is a shit system and think we should just raise prices to accommodate paying others better. Having come to that agreement, USPS is also a unionized job that comes with insurance and benefits. These delivery drivers are contract workers. They have zero benefits. They are forced to ride electric bikes during hazardous conditions.

It’s just a very unfair system right now so if I can pay my driver in cash, I do that. Keep it off the books for all I care. But I’m gonna do my part until we can change this flawed system.

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jotpeat t1_j1mcrbi wrote

No I don’t tip the USPS worker because usually he doesn’t deliver to me anyway. Unfortunately…

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brownredgreen t1_j1mk512 wrote

Lol what. You got an address USPS doesn't deliver to, but food delivery drivers do?

Or you mean you dont see them at your mailbox? Cause thats just a timing issue.

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jotpeat t1_j1mmhim wrote

Let’s say - it’s rare that packages really end up here and not somewhere to be picked up.

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Dichotopotamus t1_j1nhjpw wrote

USPS is also a loses billions annually. Delivery is a very low margin to negative function. Being a deliveryperson is a starter job for young people to learn basic responsibilities, interact with people and handle money. It's not "living wage" kind of job.

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brownredgreen t1_j1ntcss wrote

Every job should be a living wage job.

You're holding a morally repugnant view.

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NicksOnMars t1_j1nnm3r wrote

So, you're saying young people dont deserve to earn a living wage? Ok grinch. Sorry... scrooge.

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Dichotopotamus t1_j1nwxfg wrote

A 16 year old paying rent and maybe supporting others? No not on a delivery person job only. It's not grinch, it's reality. Some jobs are spending money and not careers. Downvotes are just bleeding hearts who don't know any better or have no interest in uplifting people to their potential.

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TheLastHotBoy t1_j1ojfvh wrote

Dude this is New York City I regularly have 40-year-olds bringing in this 30 year old (me) food.
In fact I don’t remember the last time a child brought me food. I’m sure they’re not looking for spending money

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iComeInPeices t1_j1kz0z0 wrote

I have a few places nearby that I order from especially on bad weather days, that I know they are working if the place is open. One of the guys even noted he knows when it’s bad I am going to order and that he appreciates it.

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arfyron t1_j1neq4z wrote

Yeah I know a few places that deliver to me where I know their delivery people use a car so I order from those places in inclement weather

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msumathurman t1_j1nka8b wrote

I wonder this when the weather is extra bad - is ordering and tipping well better or not ordering at all so deliveristas aren’t out in the cold as much.

i think there’s demand anyway so might as well order and tip well?

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iRedditAlreadyyy t1_j1nley6 wrote

To my understanding they are paid hourly and then the bulk of everything comes from the tips. I try to tip in cash so the services aren’t taking a portion

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JunkratOW t1_j1ktor8 wrote

It's about time our Mexican, South American and Central American New Yorkers got some love on this subreddit. These are the people that are truly under-represented and oppressed in this city. But if you let this subreddit tell it, that's not the case.

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WickhamAkimbo t1_j1mpfcy wrote

Some of the hardest working people in the city.

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Gimme_The_Loot t1_j1mshau wrote

Right there with the older Chinese people collecting bottles. Idgaf what anyone says 99% of the population wouldn't have the fortitude to do that day in and day out

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Designer-Common-9697 t1_j1ni6pp wrote

I used to live on Stanton St. close to Orchard. One night while walking home on one of the coldest night that winter I saw the Chinese collecting bottles as they always did. I was walking with my head down bc it's was so cold and I saw a woman of at least 55 wearing these sandal type shoes. I could see her thin black socks and unfortunately I didn't know any Chinese at the time, but I know on a cold dark night like that they definitely won't engage in conversation. This troubled me, seeing this, knowing the system and I realized the circumstances here after working in the heart of Chinatown. They are not addicts or alcoholics like down by Allen St. They are of the so called "lost generation" and are taught to be weary of all strangers. They fear deportation and many won't even take the free food and services available. This is the only group I've seen like this and it's heartbreaking. P.S. This memory really got me thinking why the American Chinese don't do some kind of outreach work for them. The Catholic churches have done so with the Central& south American immigrants that stayed past their visa or whatever. I was born in Colombia and came here as a baby and I could never see my blood out in the cold like that for food. When I lived in Brooklyn the Chinese used to go out at night in East N.Y.. collecting bottles too and they definitely don't live there.

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hellobeau t1_j1r1uro wrote

Im Chinese too from a poor immigrant family. When I see old Chinese ladies or men collecting bottles I feel so bad I just get a $20 out of my pocket and give it to them. For me it’s spare change, but for them maybe they can skip the day and go home.

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LouisSeize t1_j1o43i1 wrote

> These are the people that are truly. . . oppressed

The Uyghurs are oppressed. Get real.

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christiabm1 t1_j1kqb7s wrote

Was waiting for the 103 on 30th and lex - right next to some Guatemalan shop. Dude was setting up his bike and gear to start the day. Tightening his bag, his gloves, iPhone navigation stand, etc. Just couldn’t believe the preparation the dude was doing starting his shift. I don’t know why, it reminded me of Death Stranding.

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bernardosoares26 t1_j1krgmf wrote

Even though often times I am almost killed by these e-bikers riding recklessly, there is no denying that these delivery folks keep the city running -- they are genuine heroes to me, especially in wintertime. Lord knows if I relied on my own cooking, I would be overcome with a deep sadness. Both in having to do the cooking, which is mediocre at best, and cleaning the dishes, which is worse than any other task I can imagine.

Tip well! It's very simple.

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swaxybuildup t1_j1mqov0 wrote

I see the recklessness and dangerous speeds as symptomatic of their predicament: they need to get deliveries made as quickly as possible in order to make money. They probably don't like speeding, either. And due to ebikes and scooters, the range restaurants deliver to has expanded. Pre-seamless, restaurants usually were more local and stuck to a reasonable range for their hired delivery person. Nowadays, I can get a pizza from Crown Heights all the way to me in South Park Slope. That's kinda nuts.

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unndunn t1_j1m09d1 wrote

Quasi-mandatory tipping culture is stupid, and the only way it goes away is if everyone stops tipping. But we get a regular cadence of these kinds of articles, with people saying “if you don’t tip, you’re an asshole“, so tipping culture continues.

If I’m ordering from an app, I’m already paying delivery and service fees. Why aren’t those being used to pay the delivery people a fair wage? Why do I also have to pay a tip?

Tipping should be a reward for good service, it shouldn’t be a mandatory requirement.

Edit: lol here we go with the “if you don’t tip, you’re an asshole” comments. Why is it never “if the business doesn’t pay appropriate wages, they’re assholes”?

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FreedmF1ghter77 t1_j1mnzxl wrote

Most people in this subreddit are absolute fucking idiots

I agree, Tips shouldn't be mandatory. We are technically picking up the slack of paying employees from the owner. People are willing to yell at you for not tipping, same idiots in this sub thinking they are in the moral high ground.

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[deleted] t1_j2035g4 wrote

What is the last sentence supposed to convey? It's confusing.

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[deleted] t1_j1n123y wrote

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avd706 t1_j1n1zae wrote

Corporation and Government will never fix anything for us.

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eekamuse t1_j1m94sh wrote

If you want change, do something about it. Fight for new legislation, contact your representatives, restaurant groups, organize.

Not tipping is cheap and lazy and won't achieve anything. And will harm people that are working hard

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wilbur_cob_88 t1_j1msbbt wrote

it's on the workers to fight for their rights, no?
I tip delivery service but the system is stupid and I hope it goes away

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sundaysarelikethat t1_j1n2mcz wrote

trust me no tipped worker is fighting to get rid of tips. Ive been a server in manhattan i know exactly how much $ in tips these ppl bring in. Theres no way restaurant owners are going to match that out of their own pockets. They couldnt afford to if they wanted to

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SBAPERSON t1_j1ob9mt wrote

Yepppp people cry and sob about tips and how "unfair" it is but tipped wage workers make a shit ton.

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wilbur_cob_88 t1_j1msk8p wrote

I agree. nobody is calling employers assholes for not paying their workers

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CrashTestDumby1984 t1_j1m5ww9 wrote

Sure in the long term that might get rid of tipping, but in the short term you’re already fucking over people who depend on those tips to live. Tipping culture IS stupid, the same way our health care system is stupid but that’s our reality right now. If you’re really that morally opposed to tipping culture maybe just don’t order delivery

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Dddddddfried t1_j1me8ro wrote

If you're not gonna tip the people delivering your food then you should go out and pick it up yourself. Delivery is a service. No one's making you use the apps

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Babhadfad12 t1_j1mr0ny wrote

And no one is making someone else agree to deliver something for less than price they expect.

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RepresentativeAge444 t1_j1nuqg3 wrote

Because people have been brainwashed into believing that not believing in tipping makes you cheap. This propaganda is of course encouraged by business interests that don’t want to pay living wages. I tip 20% on average unless service is abysmal but I believe tipping should be phased out and living wages provides to these workers.

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SBAPERSON t1_j1ob3qj wrote

Tipped workers make more, many leave when high wages replace tips

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whawhawhubsyloot t1_j1m5w14 wrote

Then don't use these apps that don't pay their workers. But if you are going to use them knowing that your delivery person will not be properly compensated for their work, and you are fine with that, sure. Shitty delivery service companies aside, maybe tip your driver since they are not on the board of said company and are just trying to make a living and you not tipping them is not going to change the fact that they aren't payed a salary

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vowelqueue t1_j1mosx4 wrote

> If I’m ordering from an app, I’m already paying delivery and service fees. Why aren’t those being used to pay the delivery people a fair wage? Why do I also have to pay a tip?

The unfortunate answer is that these fees are reaped by the delivery app middlemen (UberEats, Seamless, DoorDash, etc), who are taking something like 20% of the sale. People are certainly paying enough money for their meals but it's being siphoned away, not even going to the local restaurants or delivery people.

This is especially sad for NYC because we've had really good delivery options for decades, long before these delivery apps existed. While I understand it's more convenient to order from an app instead of by picking up a phone, I don't think that convenience is worth anything close to what these apps are charging. Prices having gone way up in the past 2-3 years such that we've normalized paying a lot for delivery, but the extra fees aren't going to the people deserving of them (i.e. the delivery people primarily and restaurants secondarily).

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N5584 t1_j1kt7eb wrote

https://losdeliveristasunidos.org/about-us

https://secure.actblue.com/donate/deliveristas

there's a donation option via their site if anyone is able

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wilbur_cob_88 t1_j1mt475 wrote

they should start unionizing instead of creating a website and asking for tips

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soph0nax t1_j1mzcm0 wrote

I believe everyone deserves a union, however at present the system does not allow for folks who work under 1099's to unionize - this excludes every "gig worker". We need to change worker classifications in order for them to have the first steps to proper recognized unionization.

I personally feel like everyone who works for these apps is being misclassified and should be an employee and not a contractor, but these companies have gone to great lengths to fight both changing worker classifications and in many instances convince the folks who contract themselves to these apps to fight against their own self-interests and perpetuate the independent contractor model that allows them to run as inexpensively as they do (ie the lie that workers cannot be both an employee AND have a flexible schedule).

The best the workers can do at the moment are these collective organizations that fight for their rights but don't have any legal weight behind their mission statements.

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earlymountainrain t1_j1n94dl wrote

A large percentage of that goes to Act Blue, Inc. $22 million in revenue in 2019 and a handsomely paid board, according to their Form 990 Tax Returns. It's literally a rent seeking app piggybacking on progressive movement causes.

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arfyron t1_j1neyaj wrote

From what I see it's 14% of what you donate that goes to act blue

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Guypussy t1_j1l0p3r wrote

Unfortunately, people who are shitty tippers in summer are shitty tippers in winter.

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z0rb0r t1_j1o6ewe wrote

I’ve been told by many delivery people that a lot of people don’t even tip at all. I work as a doorman and have also been told this from my local Chinese delivery worker. People are shit.

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turichic t1_j1kr97e wrote

I ordered my stuff a couple days ago as to avoid using a service during these cold days. Didn't get all I needed, so I walked to the market this morning. Today is just awful.

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story_island t1_j1qfea9 wrote

"These guys are heroes."

No, you just don't want to go get your food yourself, or actually pay the real cost of having someone bring it to you.

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TwoCats_OneMan t1_j1mbjuu wrote

"I don’t think the apps really care about our safety."

I don't think you guys really care about MY safety when you come barreling down the sidewalk at thirty miles an hour on your motorscooter.

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TwoCats_OneMan t1_j1mbe5b wrote

Ok, I do construction engineering and also work outside eight to ten hours a day, but I don't drive wrecklessly on the sidewalk with a motor scooter and disobey traffic laws.

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MisterFatt t1_j1mqgh2 wrote

More and more I’m starting to cut third party apps out of ordering food for myself. They’re just parasites at this point. I try to stick to places that employ their own delivery drivers if I can, but usually just do pick up these days if I’m ordering out. I’ve been jerked around one too many times because of fucked up orders through third party apps to want to deal with them anymore

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_kalebb_ t1_j1mc0y2 wrote

I felt bad about making someone go out on Friday when it was at it's nadir so I strapped on my ski gear and went myself. It's not too bad if you have every inch covered head to toe in the right gear. I just hope these guys can afford it

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Designer-Common-9697 t1_j1nd0yj wrote

I know for a fact the neighborhood I live in does not tip well if at all. It's not just how I was raised its other factors too. Some people loathe to voluntarily part with their money. I see the reaction of cab drivers, food delivery people, even Chewy.com bc I live on a 5 floor walk up. I've worked since I was 14 or 15, perhaps that's why I tip well, but it has meaning to top more than the average shmoe, but not in a narcissistic way. Nevertheless a lot of people get the short end of the stick with this system.

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FarmSuch5021 t1_j1m0wqr wrote

They deserve a lot of tips. Poor workers.

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brownredgreen t1_j1m5rsw wrote

They deserve a fair wage!

Important difference.

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FarmSuch5021 t1_j1m5uxq wrote

Yes, they do. And they deserve tips

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brownredgreen t1_j1m5ze3 wrote

If they're paid fairly, why do they need tips?

Like, do you tip the Postal Worker who delivers your mail? Why not?

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SwansyOne t1_j1modan wrote

We do, actually, during the holidays for all their work during the year.

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sundaysarelikethat t1_j1n33vn wrote

What about your dentist? Your landlord? The guy who bags your groceries?

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SwansyOne t1_j1n3e4n wrote

Comparing a dentist to a delivery worker isn't really a fair comparison. But I generally tip anyone in the service industry (postman, garbage men, delivery people, etc).

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MysteriousHedgehog23 t1_j1mq93q wrote

Salute to the delivery workers. Ya’ll truly are life savers. I especially tip high when the weather is crazy. Gotta incentivize the people who spare me.

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Aisudoki t1_j20ffvq wrote

Good on this guy for trying to find a fix- visited NYC for the first time this month and the winter weather is not kind at all. Hope it works out.

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BroonyBroons t1_j2442c3 wrote

This is why I don't order from any of those food delivery apps. Every time you order from one of them, you're putting money into some techbro's pocket. I want grubhub, ubereats, and doordash to go out of business; let's fucking boycott them!

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Sherkhan_25 t1_j1mys7o wrote

I just don't order food in when its so miserably cold outside like it has been this weekend. I don't think any amount of tip can justify making delivery people (especially those on bikes) wander around in such brutal weather.

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pandapantsnow t1_j1okbq7 wrote

I used to feel this way until I realized I was essentially saying that delivery people should not be able to make an income when the weather is bad. If you order the food but tip a little extra then it is a good pay day for them, vs zero coming in if we’re all trying to be polite. So it’s almost more considerate to place the order.

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FourthLife t1_j1rczw7 wrote

If you aren’t tipping 25-30% you are basically killing these people with your greed.

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