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ShadownetZero t1_j14utot wrote

Reply to comment by zephyrtr in New York State official climate plan calls for Right to Repair by fanopticon

Idk man, I was told if I used shitty paper straws that we'd save the planet.

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zephyrtr t1_j15ex3q wrote

You laugh but legislating against single use plastic is a good thing. The bags are bigger offenders than the straws, but what makes more sense: asking everyone to recycle after the fact, or disallowing businesses from giving you a bunch of trash with your order in the first place? The problem is our governments go after easier targets, like retail stores or homeowners, instead of the big problem-makers: oil companies.

People shouldn't be mad that they're being asked to do more for the planet, they should be mad that the bigger polluters aren't doing their fair share.

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ShadownetZero t1_j15fo3u wrote

> You laugh but legislating against single use plastic is a good thing.

It does little to actually help, and highly inconveniences customers.

Fun fact: McDonalds plastic straws are recyclable. Their new paper ones are not.

>asking everyone to recycle after the fact, or disallowing businesses from giving you a bunch of trash with your order in the first place?

Option 3: legislating against things that actually has an impact.

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NotTheOnlyGamer t1_j16aset wrote

Option 4: Public advocacy, without trying to put unreasonable burdens on either American citizens or American business.

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zephyrtr t1_j16idp2 wrote

The problem is citizens and businesses alike have a very broad definition of "unreasonable."

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NotTheOnlyGamer t1_j16qono wrote

Right, and as Americans, we should remain dedicated to not overstepping that definition. Freedom is paramount, always.

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zephyrtr t1_j16i7sk wrote

You're making my point for me bud. Recycling is a band-aid, with low compliance. Recycling costs energy, it requires a market for recycled materials, and it once again throws the burden on the consumer. We have to collect it, transport it, wash it, refine it, transport it again. Why don't we just ... make less trash?

Again, it's the wrong posture and the wrong question. You should be doing your part, and demanding big business do their part as well.

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ShadownetZero t1_j16kegy wrote

Thanks for the shit take. Your false equivalence makes big businesses happy.

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AcrossAmerica t1_j1758kp wrote

The US doesn’t really recycle much.

I think about 70-80% ends up in a landfill?

Banning single use plastic also helps. Look at the thrash in NYC around parks. Mostly single-use plastics.

That being said, the paper ones suck and maybe we should learn from Italy where they use pasta instead?

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