ofxemp t1_j0xeh1n wrote
If the US govt is allowing these migrants to come through the border, I don’t see why city/state dollars should be used to take care of them. Feds should send money. They do for southern border states anyway
someone_whoisthat t1_j0xgugz wrote
Other states do not guarantee free housing to migrants. NYS does, but that's by choice.
I don't see why federal funds should go to towards paying for elective services.
ofxemp t1_j0xh359 wrote
If that’s the case, then that’s fair. Just a bad policy
donttouchthirdrail t1_j0z41eg wrote
It’s not policy, it a constitutional right in the state of New York
araararagi-san t1_j12rlhd wrote
which can still be repealed
osthentic t1_j13egdu wrote
Right to shelter is a blessing in disguise for New York. It allows the government to get a pass and tear down encampments. NY housing 95% of the homeless every night is the reason why New York doesn’t look like SF, LA, Denver, Phoenix, Portland, etc., even with the largest homeless population.
Dont_mute_me_bro t1_j13fui7 wrote
..but won't with a supermajority.
araararagi-san t1_j1c6rgy wrote
that still makes it policy
GoldenBased t1_j0zw9qt wrote
Nys guarantees housing to anybody without housing, just happens to include migrants here
marty_eraser t1_j0xmz15 wrote
Or maybe the government should enforce the law and have them sent back.
the_lamou t1_j0xz9jd wrote
They do enforce the law — these are all legal migrants who are in the US legally.
dust1990 t1_j0zadoy wrote
Not exactly. They made an asylum claim and there is a backlog because of the surge of fraudulent and ineligible claims. Asylum isn’t a social program for poor migrants. But people use it that way and many make false claims. The government can’t keep up with the volume.
the_lamou t1_j0zc37f wrote
>They made an asylum claim and there is a backlog because of the surge of fraudulent and ineligible claims.
No, there's been a backlog because the asylum adjudication system has been intentionally and systematically underfunded by Republicans for decades, while a series of geopolitical events have increased recent refugee migration. Not because there's a "surge of fraudulent and ineligible claims."
But regardless of what kind of idiotic, ignorant opinion you might have on the validity of anyone's asylum claim, the law is extremely clear — asylum seekers are in the country legally, explicitly so, until such a time as they are officially ruled to not have a valid claim. Period.
dust1990 t1_j0zmjeb wrote
Maybe so. But why would you increase funding for something, where there is known rampant fraud and create a feedback loop? One fix would be to increase disincentives to discourage blatant fraud, like fines or permanent bans. Then the people with real claims wouldn’t have to wait so long for adjudication.
This is a classic case of the majority ruining it for the few (the people with legitimate cases of religious or political persecution).
the_lamou t1_j0zucbk wrote
>But why would you increase funding for something, where there is known rampant fraud and create a feedback loop?
Because despite your repeated and entirely unfounded claims, there is not rampant fraud in the asylum program. And what fraud is present tends to come not from the poor folks fleeing economic and climate disaster in Central and South America on foot, but rather from the relatively wealthy immigrants who fly in to major airports and use the asylum system to get around the broken immigration system.
Or to put it another way, how "fraudulent" do you think a refugee's story is if they spend months literally walking through the jungle along one of the most dangerous human migratory pathways in the world in order to get asylum? Their claim may ultimately get rejected because the asylum system is also horribly broken (I know, I went through it!) but the fact that they get denied on a technically does not change the fact that they are fleeing something so terrible that they are willing to risk a horrible death over thousands of miles of grueling terrain to escape it. And it's our responsibility to help them because at the end of the day, Latin America is largely in the state it's in because the US fucked it badly and repeatedly over the last 100 years.
dust1990 t1_j100wcb wrote
Walking through the jungle sounds horrific. And the people who choose to do that must be in desperate circumstances. But the test for asylum isn’t being in desperate circumstances. It is actual or fear of persecution. It’s a high bar, but that is the law. It’s not statistically possible for this increase in asylum seekers to actually be victims of persecution.
the_lamou t1_j104xxm wrote
>It is actual or fear of persecution.
Eh, sort of but not really. But close enough. My point, though, isn't that all of these people are fleeing persecution. My point is that they are not defrauding the system, they just fail to understand a nuanced and technical but if administrative law. Making a mistake isn't the same thing as fraud.
>It’s not statistically possible for this increase in asylum seekers to actually be victims of persecution.
This is just completely incorrect, as there are tons of things that can happen that increase the number of valid asylum seekers. And, in fact, we've actually seen several of those things happen in the last couple of years: Venezuela's economic collapse which led to protests and then a serious crackdown on protesters and activists, El Salvador's dudebro president going to war against the press and political opposition, political violence in Brazil (though hopefully that's calming down now.)
And this is validated because the makeup of refugees has actually shifted — a lot of the ones involved in the current migration waves are Venezuelan and El Salvadorian.
dust1990 t1_j105s8t wrote
If some human trafficker tells you to make up a story that’s not true and you use that story you don’t exactly have clean hands. There’s a whole cottage industry for asylum coaching. If that’s not fraud, what is?
the_lamou t1_j107iry wrote
No, if a human traffickers tells you to make up a story, it's not on you, because the important thing about human trafficking is that it's involuntary.
>There’s a whole cottage industry for asylum coaching.
Yes, it's called "immigration law." Do you also call criminal lawyers "crime coaching?"
dust1990 t1_j10b2yo wrote
Look it’s a clear you want to rubber stamp all of these migrants to grant them asylum. That’s your right to have that political opinion. But you should know that’s a horrible policy. There’s billions in this world who live in or near poverty that would jump at the chance for us citizenship. It’s a horrible policy to just let anyone in that wants to because it’s unrealistic and unfair to the people who wait sometimes decades following the legal immigration route.
dust1990 t1_j10a1hp wrote
A lawyer that coaches a client to lie to an Immigration officer or an ALJ is subject to sanctions, ethics violations or disbarment.
603er t1_j0yti79 wrote
What
the_lamou t1_j0zb7pi wrote
That was a very short sentence that should have been relatively easy to parse even for the mouth-breathiest of mouth-breathers. Every one of these bussed migrants is here legally.
Maybe learn what the law actually is and what's happening before mouthing off like a cretin?
603er t1_j0zd0vf wrote
Imagine taking Reddit seriously
MeatballMadness t1_j0z2bhb wrote
Why shouldn't city and state dollars be used? Rhetoric from NYC politicians and city policies over the years have 100% encouraged people to cross the border into the US.
Sk8ngWST t1_j0zgk7h wrote
The corruption loves this, corrupt border officials, coyotes, non profits org and employers that will replace workers with them to pay less than min wage
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ShadownetZero t1_j13ig4n wrote
That's kind of the point. Texas and Florida are keeping their Federal funds but pushing off the costs to other states.
Reallocate and we'll be happy to take them.
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