HEIMDVLLR t1_j29zzrc wrote
Reply to comment by beagle_bathouse in NYC Traffic Deaths In 2022 Surpass Shooting Deaths. by ER301
> Bike lanes can offer a safer alternative to the street.
Exactly, that was my original point! They’re a safer than riding in the street with 2+ ton vehicles. Same reason why we have sidewalks and crosswalks that pedestrians use, instead of walking in the street.
> Sometimes they are less safe if they are blocked, not maintained or have pedestrians in them. Sometimes, like on this road, there are a line of parked cars between the street and the bike lane and you have to ride down the street before entering the bike lane. Regardless, it is legal and logical for bikes to ride in the street.
Walk the bike until it’s safe to ride in the bike path.
> It is.
It’s not.
> No. All those examples you give are illegal behavior and people using infrastructure in a way it was not designed to be used. She was 100% in the right and did nothing wrong by riding her bike in the street. Legally and operationally street infrastructure is not just for trucks and cars, it is for bikes, motor cycles, scooters and some micro mobility as well.
Yes. Those examples are the equivalent to what happened. I don’t wish death on anyone but I wished she had used better judgment and not take any chances. I’m saying this as a driver that doesn’t feel comfortable around trucks on the expressways.
> She was legally in the right and you're just coming up with excuses for this person who killed her while breaking the law so that you can be what? Convenienced? Is it a culture wars "anti-bike" thing? I think you're purposefully ignoring the fact that two people were involved in this incident. One broke the law and killed someone. One followed the law and died anyway. You are telling me the person who broke the law and killed someone did nothing wrong, a very smooth brained take. Keep it real my dude.
No she’s not. Bikes are required to use the bike lane when they’re available and will be ticketed otherwise. You should know this. The bike and micromobility subs are always alerting other riders of the police ticketing riders for violating this rule!
> RCNY 4-12 (p)(3) Bicyclists should ride in usable bike lanes, unless they are blocked or unsafe for any reason. — SUMMARY OF NYS BIKE LAWS
beagle_bathouse t1_j2a5i6h wrote
>RCNY 4-12 (p)(3) Bicyclists should ride in usable bike lanes, unless they are blocked or unsafe for any reason.
This was specifically put in place by NYC to allow bicyclists to use the streets by superseding NY State VTL § 1234 which requires bikers to use a bike lane if available. In NYC they are not required to use the bike lane, as per the text you posted. "Should", unlike "shall" (the verbiage used in VTL 1234 which RCNY 4-12 (p)(3) supersedes), suggests but does not require they do the stated action. It also gives reasons, which I brought up prior, for why she may not have been in the bike lane.
Micromobility subs post about NYPD camping at spots near bridges to check for bells, lights at dusk, and people who merge into traffic at reds. They don't alert for NYPD stopping people for riding in the street because NYPD does not stop people from riding in the street.
You seem to really go above and beyond to nit pick and misinterpret the text of a NYC law when the driver here clearly violated VTL 1146 , VTL 1122, and VTL 1120, resulting in a woman's death.
If you need clarification on the law you can reach out below and they will talk it out with you on the phone:
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