mission17 t1_j2st69r wrote
Reply to comment by NetQuarterLatte in George Santos' ex-boyfriend says he stole his phone, never went to work by mowotlarx
It’s amazing how far you are willing to bend all sense and logic to defend a proven pathological liar from scrutiny and criticism.
Being skeptical if somebody who has lied about everything is telling the truth is in no way irrational. It’s pretty much why most regular users in this sub are skeptical about many of the things you say here, too— because you lie and manipulate the truth. Frequently.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j2sydot wrote
Definitively take my comments with skepticism, specially if my comments calling out the widespread bigoted mindset in this episode may have made you uncomfortable.
In general it'd be extremely foolish for anyone to not take any comment on the internet with skepticism. But I think the attentive readers already knows that.
mission17 t1_j2sz1qz wrote
“It’s bigoted to ask if a liar is lying” is definitely a new one. Hope it works out for you. I’m going to put that up there with you blaming AOC for BLM protests, your unfounded conspiracy theory that there was a mass murder coverup on Riker’s Island, and your insistence that crime in New York City is so much worse than smaller cities (despite the fact it is significantly less per capita here) simply because the density of the city is higher.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j2t09fn wrote
>I’m going to put that up there with you blaming AOC for BLM protests, your unfounded conspiracy theory that there was a mass murder coverup on Riker’s Island, and your insistence that crime in New York City is so much worse than smaller cities (despite the fact it is significantly less per capita here) simply because the density of the city is higher.
Your distorted and simplistic summary is a great example of your inability to grasp any nuanced topic (which I def. tried to walk you through multiple times).
It's unsurprising that you might be feeling uncomfortable with me calling out bigoted mindset. The lack of nuance goes hand-in-hand.
mission17 t1_j2t0pgj wrote
Nuance =/ mean totally distorted use of statistics. You’ve been called out on this multiple times and can really only be assumed to be a bad faith actor at this point.
Hope this bigotry point catches on for you, though. Santos is definitely the type of upstanding figure whose lies should be tolerated, and you’re just the right person to advocate for him.
LivefromPhoenix t1_j2t7xcm wrote
>Hope this bigotry point catches on for you, though.
People like him don't really have any other talking point this time. Santos is so indefensible the only viable strategy is attacking the people criticizing him with whatever they can, regardless of how clumsily it comes out.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j2t6pg9 wrote
>Santos is definitely the type of upstanding figure whose lies should be tolerated, and you’re just the right person to advocate for him.
Not only you're not capturing nuance, but it seems that you're reverting back to misrepresenting other people's comments.
mission17 t1_j2t8qea wrote
You’re literally calling people bigots for questioning him on things he obviously misrepresented. People can have whatever opinions they want about those the things he’s done and the punishment he may receive for them while also find lying about them totally unacceptable for a Congressman. Try that for nuance.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j2tiho2 wrote
>You’re literally calling people bigots for questioning him on things he obviously misrepresented.
Your comment here captures your lack of nuance neatly. Because your comment mistakenly equates "questioning the approach" with "defending the guy".
You seem to believe that a bigoted approach is justified when a person like George Santos deserves shunning.
Just like you seem to believe due process doesn't deserve court protection if the prosecutorial overreach seems to favor a favored political angle.
There's plenty of material to criticize George Santos without having to resort to bigotry and without advancing authoritarian gloating that mirrors the mindset logic typical of far-right conservatives and far-left fringe groups.
mission17 t1_j2tl172 wrote
I'm sorry that questioning if a known liar is continuing to be dishonest is somehow an unethical approach for you. Most reasonable people can see past this and recognize it's just more right-wing drivel from you. Deflect, deflect, and deflect from the actual exposed grifting and blame the left for having the gall to ask these questions in the first place.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j2tnnq5 wrote
I have no problem with exposing grift. In fact, I advocate for more effective mechanisms such as allowing his outright removal by the will of the voters.
That's more effective and preferable (in my opinion) in dealing with the problem, and as a side-effect there will be no need to gloat on a justice-porn-fantasy where George Santos falls flat on his face if only the public exposes and shame him enough.
My problem is with the (wittingly or unwittingly) promotion of bigotry that comes along with such crowd driven effect of unquenchable thirst for public shaming.
I've been putting you on the unwittingly category. But now I can't say that you're unaware anymore.
mission17 t1_j2ton4v wrote
So... you're telling everybody else to stop exposing the continued lies because you've seen enough and any more exposure makes you uncomfortable. I don't see at all how this constitutes bigotry. It's nobody else's fault that calls for accountability make you uncomfortable.
His removal by voters in a recall is quite seriously not constitutional. And we recognize that you just want that mechanism so you can remove your least favorite leadership on the left in a tit-for-tat, as you've made clear yourself.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j2uf6b9 wrote
>you're telling everybody else to stop exposing the continued lies because you've seen enough and any more exposure makes you uncomfortable.
Just stop with the bigotry.
It doesn't make me uncomfortable, but it is one of the things that has been plaguing our country.
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>I don't see at all how this constitutes bigotry.
That's exactly the problem, isn't it?
Self-awareness is usually hard earned.
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