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manateefourmation t1_j6gogji wrote
Reply to comment by fuckfuckfuck66 in MTA cuts free Wi-Fi from NYC buses by flightwaves
The MTA runs the most complex mass transit system in the world. The only one that runs 24/7. Over 6 million people ride the subway each day alone. And unlike the limited DC Metro, BART, the London Underground, it is not a distance based system. For $2.75 you can go from anywhere to anywhere including bus transfers.
In DC, if you go from the end of the line in Maryland to DC, it can cost $10 during rush hour - each way.
So before you make silly comments, think about how complicated it is to run and manage this system - one built in large part in the early 1900s. Think you could do a better job?
Edit: typos
NoStripeZebra3 t1_j6hhroo wrote
Go take the public transit in South Korea and then we'll talk
manateefourmation t1_j6hk6l5 wrote
South Korea is a country, not a city. So let’s look the biggest, Seoul, and compare it to NYC. And I’ve been to Seoul and ridden it.
NYC - 24/7. Seoul - 5am to 12am (You can do an awful lot of cleaning/ maintenance when you only run your trains 13 hours a day)
NYC - 472 stations Seoul - 302 stations
NYC - 850 miles track Seoul - 206 miles track
NYC - 1904 (most lines - early 1900s) Seoul - 1974
The only metric close is the number of daily riders.
Increasing post pandemic crime has been an issue with both systems. Just Google “Seoul subway crimes 2022.”
I’ll leave it up to Reddit to decide if this is a fair comparison.
[deleted] t1_j6igxd8 wrote
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manateefourmation t1_j6iiqfk wrote
Here is the stat you requested:
“Overall, the system contains 248 miles (399 km) of routes,[11] translating into 665 miles (1,070 km) of revenue track[11] and a total of 850 miles (1,370 km) including non-revenue trackage.”
So revised:
NYC - 665 miles revenue track Seoul - 206 miles*
*A lot of sources report the Seoul number a lot higher, but include light rail and commuter rails - including those that go to rural areas. I’m comparing the core system (inside Seoul) to the NYC subway.
Indeed, in its reporting of ridership, Seoul includes commuter rails even to rural areas. So to compare ridership numbers with NYC, we would need to include the LIRR, Metro North, PATH and Jersey Transit
kolt54321 t1_j6mz6s8 wrote
You mention most of NYC lines being built in 1904 as if that's a positive.
It's not. There are areas of NYC that have never seen a train station (southeast Brooklyn, swathes of east Queens) and have been waiting for over a century.
Improvements could have been made in the last 119 years, but no. That's where the MTA has failed.
Wake me up when I can get from Brooklyn to Queens in less than 2.5 hours.
manateefourmation t1_j6nqzgs wrote
I didn’t point to the age of the system as a positive, just the opposite. It’s old infrastructure running 24/7 and my point was to give the people running it credit for making it work at all. Just recently did signaling options advance out of the early 1900s.
I grew up in southeast Brooklyn and not a subway in sight. I had to take the bus to D for my early job in the city. So I feel you. The issue is the absolute ridiculous cost of building new lines - just look at the 2.5 billion per mile to build the 2 on UES. Building subways in NYC is more than twice as expensive as building subways in other places in the world. Labor unions, environmental impact and guess like everything NYC - just expensive.
As I think I said earlier, the money used to build this LIRR GCT station, tunnels and track, should have been used to the long planned light rail line between Brooklyn and Queens.
If this gets done, it will help. Still a bus from southeast Brooklyn to the light rail but cut the time dramatically.
kolt54321 t1_j6p10sa wrote
I see your point now - agree with your take. Thanks for taking the time to explain!
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