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QuidProJoe2020 t1_j9rnphg wrote

750k for a brutal beating that is clearly 2nd degree murder at the least. Would have expected a mill bail, at least, but maybe age played a factor.

Organizations against cash bail are great for like drug crimes or prostitution crimes. Things like murder, however, don't deserve a pouring in of outside funds. Kids beat a old man with their bare hands to death. Fuck giving him funds to get out lol

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cerialthriller t1_j9rp86w wrote

The one kid got like $10k bail as a repeat offender of armed robbery before he finally killed someone. It’s a joke

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AbsentEmpire t1_j9rv9wm wrote

Bail fund organizations that bail out a repeat violent offender who goes on to murder someone should be open to a liability lawsuit from the victim's family.

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OnionLegend t1_j9rwnuq wrote

Honestly, it should be a criminal offense.

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cockytiel t1_j9s399d wrote

To post bail? So like you show up, post bail and get arrested?

I dunno, is a 14 year old that much of a flight risk? He'd have to live of being a criminal so he'd get picked up eventually. He hasn't been convicted yet.

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cerialthriller t1_j9s4wcp wrote

They’re saying if you post bail for someone and they go and murder another person since you know they’re awaiting trial for already murdering someone

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PhillyPanda t1_j9up6nf wrote

> I dunno, is a 14 year old that much of a flight risk?

Did they ever catch the first identified teen in the roxborough shooting?

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ScottEATF t1_j9rr7hj wrote

Pre-trial release shouldn't hinge on whether you're rich in not.

Either you're a risk to the community or you aren't. It shouldn't be about if you have money or not.

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QuidProJoe2020 t1_j9rregz wrote

Yea, I totally agree, but the offense needs to be considered. Beating a man to death with your bare hands shows you shouldn't get out on bail, regardless of finacial circumstance

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Aromat_Junkie t1_j9s0bwp wrote

yeah I don't know why this is controversial. Bail exists to ensure you show up to court, if you are not a risk. Risk is determined by judges and with input given by the DA and information provided by the police - later the defendants lawyer can petition to reduce it or review it or whatever.

it's a higher bail because someone is a flight risk, not because they're more dangerous. higher Potential sentencing outcomes = higher bail.

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ScottEATF t1_j9seofh wrote

Our current system is controversial because you end up with situations where pre-trial detention isn't about whether a defendant is a danger to the community or how much of a flight risk they are, but simply did they have money or not.

That's what cash bail reform is about.

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Aromat_Junkie t1_j9tk29g wrote

The problem with all of these isn't when the state gets it right, and keeps a murderer locked up - but that it consistently and egregiously gets it wrong.

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ScottEATF t1_j9sf3xb wrote

That's the rub of the situation.

If cash bail reform was in place, the odds that this defendant gets out of pre-trial detention is significantly lower than our current cash bail system where it is just about can you find the money.

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Trafficsigntruther t1_j9tpwo6 wrote

1st and 2nd degree Murder charge is ineligible for bail in PA.

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Mehndeke t1_j9u8sul wrote

Unless you're a juvenile who can't get mandatory life in prison if convicted. It's not about the charges, it's about the possible punishment. It's just that the only charges that carry mandatory life are 1) 1st degree murder, 2) 2nd degree murder, or 3) 2+ counts of 3rd degree murder, and only for those over 18 years old.

Juveniles can't be sentenced to mando life. They can get life, but it can't be mandatory.

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freddyoff t1_j9rtu1s wrote

You’re correct, it should be about killing people with traffic cones you jabronie

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ScottEATF t1_j9sdi56 wrote

Yes, that's near the entire point of bail reform.

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Barmelo_Xanthony t1_ja0p2j1 wrote

If it's your money on the line it gives you an incentive to not break the bail agreements. When you just let people out for free or have a comically low amount for a crime where the person knows their life could be over then they will act much more reckless.

It's not fair, but it's even less fair to the majority of the city that isn't committing violent crimes especially the people in the poor neighborhoods where they are being sent back into.

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Vague_Disclosure t1_j9roc4x wrote

I really want to know how these proggie groups select who gets their funds, according to influence watch this organization has around $9M in assets

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Mehndeke t1_j9u8apn wrote

I said it in another comment, but it's the fact that they're juveniles. Juveniles can't get sentenced to a mandatory life sentence. Since the sentence isn't mandatory, they're entitled to bail under PA laws. Bail is only prohibited in cases where mando life is the punishment.

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QuidProJoe2020 t1_j9udl15 wrote

Yea, I'm saying 750k is low for 2nd degree murder.

I used to work in the preliminary arraignments, I would expect at least a mil here, where brutal murders with guns got 2mill+ .

I don't think I ever saw someone not get bail actually. 75k bail sounds cheap as hell for someone who just murdered a man in cold blood. Doesn't seem to put the communities interest in perspective at all.

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nolandeluca t1_j9v3lhi wrote

That's still 75k after bail bonds

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QuidProJoe2020 t1_j9v3zjo wrote

Yea, which is nothing for beating a man to death with your bare hands. Maybe I'm the outlier but I'd rather value lives in my community more than 75k to put this guy back on the street to potentially kill again.

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nolandeluca t1_j9v5mgs wrote

True, they still have to get approved for a bond lol also I doubt they just have 75k laying around. Let them rot in jail, maybe someone will cut them up

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QuidProJoe2020 t1_j9v5ui6 wrote

As this article shows, there's outside money getting these people out. The person that allegedly committed this act got someone to randomly loan 75k so he could be free. That's mind blowing given the crime he is charged with.

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