IntoTheMirror t1_ixkn2mo wrote
Reply to comment by ScottishCalvin in TIL that my neighbor who rents in a multi unit house has not one but four vehicles parked on our block by RoverTheMonster
Start the increase at the third vehicle. As a suburban born dirtball, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for two adults in one address to each own a daily driver.
Fattom23 t1_ixlr289 wrote
It may be reasonable to have two cars, but facts is facts: two cars are wider than a row house. If everyone had two and only parked in front of their own house, we'd run out of room. We have the space we have.
throwawaitnine t1_ixm76xc wrote
And yet, people get all up and arms when it's suggested that new housing that increases population density should be required to have parking.
Fattom23 t1_ixmbqss wrote
The answer's not fewer people. It's fewer cars. We need homes for more than we need places to store our empty cars.
BUrower t1_ixmcumb wrote
Fewer cars and better transit options, frequency and reliability
throwawaitnine t1_ixmcnm0 wrote
Do you have a car?
Fattom23 t1_ixmjro1 wrote
My family of four does own one car. If my wife felt safer biking on 29th St and Girard Ave, I'd sell it and buy a cargo bike. The last time I had a car of my own was in 2014.
throwawaitnine t1_ixmk84j wrote
Ok if we make it really hard for you to park and you have to decide between spending time every night looking for a space in a really competitive environment or your wife feeling unsafe commuting via bicycle, how would you feel about being pushed into that choice?
Fattom23 t1_ixmnpnr wrote
That's the nature of living in a city; there's not always room to store your private property on public space. Whether I like it or not, there's limited space. I own only a small piece of it; It's unreasonable for me to expect that I'll be able to use other pieces of it for free. I have a car, and I would be in favor of the parking permit price going up by at least 20 times. Fuck cars; our city would be better without them.
throwawaitnine t1_ixmq6dg wrote
Yea but that's not what I asked, I asked, How would you feel about it? What you are giving is the justification you are making in your head when what I want is for you to have empathy for stakeholders.
You say this,
>... I would be in favor of the parking permit price going up by at least 20 times.
What if they raised the price of a parking permit so you couldn't afford it, but some of your neighbors could and then you have to sell your car and your wife has to commute via bicycle or bus and she feels unsafe, how does that make you feel?
It's like you have people here, paying taxes, they've been here and they've been incentivized to live like they're living with two cars or three cars or whatever. There's a social contract here and what you want is to break that social contract.
Fattom23 t1_ixmr85o wrote
I would (and do) feel fine. Again: I'm actively advocating for the parking fees to be so high that a significant number of people decide it's not worth it and get rid of their cars. My wife and I and my kids can take a bus just fine like people do in urban areas all over the world.
I don't know about you (or anyone else who apparently just has to do whatever they're told), but I've been told since grade school that we can't keep driving the way we do because of climate change. Now we're seeing the effects of that in real-time but people keep making excuses for why they just won't try to cut back on driving.
If people were incentived to do this, they can be incentived to do differently. I'm not special; if I can figure out how to do without a car, everyone else can, too.
And one more time for the kids in the back: I hope they do raise the parking price so high I can't afford it. If a candidate comes up for office promising that, I'll vote for them. I support making driving harder and more expensive and transit cheaper, easier and better in literally every single circumstance.
throwawaitnine t1_ixmrpjc wrote
What I'm telling you is that this is changing the city by picking winners and losers and you are saying you don't care about the losers and you don't even care if you're a loser and I don't think that you're being honest, but I hope you have a great Thanksgiving.
igotthatbunny t1_ixmeqw5 wrote
You need to incentivize people to get rid of their cars, that’s the whole point. Making parking a bitch while also increasing public transportation options that are safe and reliable and finally Philly could progress into a city where you don’t need a car.
throwawaitnine t1_ixmh8ix wrote
So what I hear is, let's lower people's standard of living so we can lower people's standard of living. Am I wrong?
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